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Message: <blockquote data-quote="darkbard" data-source="post: 8152532" data-attributes="member: 1282">This is incoherent. Of course more or less agency matters in analysis of relative amounts of agency! What I stated was that one's preferences regarding such relative amounts is a side issue and should not impede clear analysis (although clearly it can when those who have no experience with such player agency-granting games misunderstand how such games actually function in practice and why that is so!).Perhaps a more precise framing of my own preference is for one in which players and GM are equal contributors to the shared fiction (no hierarchy distinguishing them) with clear system restraints upon when and how each exercises their agency, that the players don't suffer the illusion of agency gated behind GM approval.You are correct that the kind of shared storytelling game (not really an RPG in the precise sense of the term) that you imagine would probably not meet my criteria for an enjoyable game (where is the drama in setting one's own challenge and its outcome?), but that imagined game is nothing like the kinds of games I play and enjoy.</blockquote>