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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8153258" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Either the game is so screwed up by ref error that no amount of player/coach agency can change the outcome or it isn't.  If it's not then the players and coaches still have agency.  As long as they still have agency then the longer the game does on the more moments they will have to exercise that agency.The only way you get to the state you are talking about is if you assume the game is already in an agencyless state.It's an acknowledgment that the team had the agency to win the game regardless of some egregious ref calls.  They simply needed to play a little better.  There's no dishonesty there, just a different perspective.I'll give you an example of a theoretical time when that wouldn't be true.  Suppose a sports team played a perfect game.  That is they made no errors and played to the absolute best of their ability.  Suppose then a ref makes some bad calls and they lose the game.  That is an example of a game they had no agency in.  That's an example of a game where they couldn't say they needed to play just a little better.  But when reviewing this game you can see that the team had no agency because nothing they could have done would have mattered.  But that's pretty much never the case in actual sports games.  I've never seen a game where a team couldn't have played better and overcome whatever the refs throw at them.</blockquote>