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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8156903" data-attributes="member: 42582">But my point is this: writing a story about an orc that gets killed is no different from writing a story about a wall that turns out to have a secret way through it.You keep mentioning the door. My point is that the wall is established fiction (part of the framing), and embellishing that established fiction by adding a secret way through it (which has been discovered in virtue of a search) is no different from embellishing the established fiction of the Orc by adding that now its dead (because killed in virtue of an attack).There authorship, and hence authorial agency, involved in either case is the same. Each embellishes an established fictional situation by adding something to it that changes the state/nature/details of an established element (wall in one case, Orc in the other).Neither involves any greater or lesser narrative control. The difference is purely one of subject matter.</blockquote>