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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8157028" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I agree.&nbsp; Fiction must be authored.&nbsp; I don't think that's a very controversial point.In D&amp;D the &quot;authorial process&quot; for an Orc dying follows combat rules and for a secret door to be discovered follows the general playloop of the game.&nbsp; I have no issue with the D&amp;D &quot;authorial process&quot; for either of those events.&nbsp; And while that process may differ in some respects, it's also very similar in many.That said, the framing you do here isn't the same as you did earlier.&nbsp; You aren't saying anything in this subquote that I particularly have an issue with but you did earlier when you were comparing the D&amp;D authorship process to your style of games authorship process.I think that's a true statement in one sense but I don't think it really goes far enough.&nbsp; If I'm a player and my in fiction characters action results in a dead orc that's quite a bit different than myself outside the fiction dictating that X is part of the fiction.&nbsp; You do agree there is some kind of a difference there right? The player never declares the Orc is dead.&nbsp; That's the GM.&nbsp; That's why I would say the GM and not the player authors the dead orc.&nbsp; He may be doing it by mechanics that depending on certain player actions and mechanical success outcomes - but at the end of the day the GM in D&amp;D establishes in the fiction that the orc is dead.This also seems to me to be a very similar process to how secret doors are found in many D&amp;D campaigns.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8157028, member: 6795602"] I agree. Fiction must be authored. I don't think that's a very controversial point. In D&D the "authorial process" for an Orc dying follows combat rules and for a secret door to be discovered follows the general playloop of the game. I have no issue with the D&D "authorial process" for either of those events. And while that process may differ in some respects, it's also very similar in many. That said, the framing you do here isn't the same as you did earlier. You aren't saying anything in this subquote that I particularly have an issue with but you did earlier when you were comparing the D&D authorship process to your style of games authorship process. I think that's a true statement in one sense but I don't think it really goes far enough. If I'm a player and my in fiction characters action results in a dead orc that's quite a bit different than myself outside the fiction dictating that X is part of the fiction. You do agree there is some kind of a difference there right? The player never declares the Orc is dead. That's the GM. That's why I would say the GM and not the player authors the dead orc. He may be doing it by mechanics that depending on certain player actions and mechanical success outcomes - but at the end of the day the GM in D&D establishes in the fiction that the orc is dead. This also seems to me to be a very similar process to how secret doors are found in many D&D campaigns. [/QUOTE]

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