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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8158976" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Going through life without being able to tightly predict the odds of success of almost any action I take is completely alien to me.I'm 43.&nbsp; I spent all of my life in athletics, martial arts, and in the sciences and having dealt with numerical and spatial relationships constantly.&nbsp; I don't know what the background is of folks who feel like its &quot;not immersive or counterintuitive to have a deep understanding of their prospects for any action&quot;, but it has to be profoundly different than my own.I can think of more than 5 dozen physical things, from running to climbing to swimming to grappling to ball sports to workout metrics (ranging from the specific to the general), that I can predict with an extremely low margin of error (even things where there are variables that I can't know); within 5 %.&nbsp; When it comes to approximating distances/spatial relationships or time passed within a relatively short interval (say 2 hours) I'm very precise.And (as I wrote upthread), when it comes to conversation/argument, I'm very confident, no matter how persuasive and informed I am on a subject, I can move a position-entrenched person off of their position less than 5 % of the time!So I go into almost every physical endeavor (whether its me against static obstacle or me against another party) knowing what my prospects are within a very small margin of error.&nbsp; Likewise, if I go into a parley/conversation with another committed party (who has something they are unwilling to give up), I know I have very little chance to get them to give it up!&nbsp; What sort of margin of error do some of you guys think you're working with when you try to predict your prospects in any given arena?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8158976, member: 6696971"] Going through life without being able to tightly predict the odds of success of almost any action I take is completely alien to me. I'm 43. I spent all of my life in athletics, martial arts, and in the sciences and having dealt with numerical and spatial relationships constantly. I don't know what the background is of folks who feel like its "not immersive or counterintuitive to have a deep understanding of their prospects for any action", but it has to be profoundly different than my own. I can think of more than 5 dozen physical things, from running to climbing to swimming to grappling to ball sports to workout metrics (ranging from the specific to the general), that I can predict with an extremely low margin of error (even things where there are variables that I can't know); within 5 %. When it comes to approximating distances/spatial relationships or time passed within a relatively short interval (say 2 hours) I'm very precise. And (as I wrote upthread), when it comes to conversation/argument, I'm very confident, no matter how persuasive and informed I am on a subject, I can move a position-entrenched person off of their position less than 5 % of the time! So I go into almost every physical endeavor (whether its me against static obstacle or me against another party) knowing what my prospects are within a very small margin of error. Likewise, if I go into a parley/conversation with another committed party (who has something they are unwilling to give up), I know I have very little chance to get them to give it up! What sort of margin of error do some of you guys think you're working with when you try to predict your prospects in any given arena? [/QUOTE]

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