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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8160062" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I'm mostly with you but there's a couple of things.1.  We really need to be specific about the the thing we are saying someone has agency over.  I think alot of nuance gets lost when we aren't specific here.  If he's talking about agency to make Proposition 1 become law and you are talking about agency to write proposition 1 then you are just talking past each other.  The bigger point and it's what you are trying to bring out I think, is that you cannot have proposition 1 without the lawmakers exercising their agency to write proposition 1 and Ovinomancer is trying to bring out that you can't have it without the prime minister exercising his agency to not veto proposition 1.2.  Which is why I think the concept of co-agency is actually important.  There are instances where it takes more than one exercising their agency for something to happen.  I think what may be happening in our RPG agency discussion is each respective side assigning full responsibility for a thing coming into being to either the player or DM when both are actually responsible in many of the systems we are analyzing.</blockquote>