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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8160075" data-attributes="member: 6795602">First, I can understand that the mere possibility of a thing happening could cause the whole game to feel like it lacks integrity.  I think someone earlier noted something like: it's actually our views on whether the important parts of the game have "integrity" that makes us experience agency.  I agree with that.  One cannot feel something relating to the game lacks integrity without feeling a lack of agency.I think that same reason applies to me and my dislike for other styles.  While for you, integrity is about the ensuring the game is played fairly.  For me I view examples of unfair play as being so rare and often when done by the DM to be done for good reasons that it doesn't cause the game to feel lack it lacks integrity even if such things are possible or come up from time to time.  What does cause the game to feel like it lacks integrity for me is a few things.  Mechanics that function by making unrelated bad thing happen on a poor roll make situation/setting feel like it lacks integrity.  Mechanics that give players power of the situation or setting outside their character - (this probably needs to be more precisely formulated) also cause that same lack of integrity for me. Why do those things cause a feeling of lack of integrity for me?  I think it's that I relate them back to the real world.  I don't have the agency in the real world to just change details about whatever situation/setting I find myself in without actually acting in the world.  Nor does the world function by causing "unrelated" bad things to happen when I fail at a thing.</blockquote>

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