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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8164868"><p>I am not telling you you should play sandboxes, classic, OSR or otherwise. Nor am I saying you need to find the most agency in them. All I am saying is, my sense of this term is it cropped up around discussions about railroads, and that is how it entered my vocabulary. You and pemerton are defining it more around the player's power in the setting (and a few people around the characters). I am not particularly interested in jargon or terms as they've been hashed out here, I am always more interested in what words seem to mean among the broadest number of people. It could be I am wrong on that, that I only have a narrow view of the hobby. But I genuinely don't think so in this case (which again, shouldn't make us mortal enemies or anything, it just means, I have a very different sense than you of what this word means in the wider hobby). If fate achieves what you want in terms of agency, more power to you. I am not interested in convincing people to play games they are not going to like. So you won't hear me saying to you, after you've made your preference clear to me: but you will get MORE agency if you play sandbox. I get it, you mean something different than I do by agency, and that is totally fine (and even if you and I shared a definition, but you just didn't experience more agency in a sandbox like the ones I run, then I wouldn't push it). I am not out to win converts here</p></blockquote><p></p>

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