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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8165562">I would honestly have to play it to see, but I think for my players it would certainly be an issue. I've often tried to bring in more abstract procedures for this sort of thing and the rejection level for them is quite high. I designed a whole sect building system, and it worked in theory, and worked if it remained at an abstract, background level, but the players pretty consistently wanted to get into specifics and that is what made it break down for me. I am not sure though if this would do that or not. Also, some of it might be workable as a way of buffering specifics if I understand because it gives material bonuses for controlling different elements of a faction? So if I read you correctly, one way I could use something like that is allow my players to play things out as they do (say they go into a quarter of the city where an enemy gang operates and take over a couple of workshops they control, if I can identify what that means on the map you showed me, I could note that and it would provide them with some kind of ongoing advantage or resource. Again though, the problem is the specificity. My players are the types who will take over a workshop, and then start utilizing it pretty finely in the game I think a proper way to put it might be they are setting first before mechanics type players. Where any mechanics are just meant to reflect the setting material and the characters who inhabit it. And they often don't find the mechanics themselves engaging (it is more about having mechanics that just don't get in the way, or do what they need for what they want to do in the setting). But again, a little hard to say without trying it and absorbing the information through play. There is a lot in your post I read, but I couldn't translate into a visualization of actual play (just due to lack of playing it myself). But I will say, even if it turns out it isn't portable into my game, I would still like to play the game on its own terms so I understand it. And I am sure I would be able to find some inspiration from it for helping me solve this criminal underworld puzzle (it is something I've never quite cracked or settled on).</blockquote>

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