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<blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8165893"><p>I do want to clarify this point. I said a variety of things a long these lines and I am not sure which specific instance you are pointing to (it does matter a little here I think). But generally I think what I was talking about was the heavy use of jargon, and words that force a result in an argument. I don't object to PbtA players adopting their own language to describe what they are doing. it think where it gets a lot more thorny is when that language is exported to other games and styles, and we are told we are doing something that we simply don't think we are doing. I was also talking about the creation of new terms in the course of this conversation. First, I am generally resistant to that idea unless a new term is truly needed (because you end up with pockets of communities speaking their own language about RPGs and I just think that is not terribly conducive to good communication). Second, I think you have be very careful when you have two sides vying for control of a term like agency and they are trying to draw distinctions around two potential uses of that term. I think a lot of times, we just think we are saying the truth, and we don't realize how much we are trying to advance an agenda or to simply 'win' the conversation and a place where things can go south is in the coining of terms if those are poisoned by that motivation. </p><p></p><p>Here though, Estar is just using a term that has a long history of use in the hobby and generally points to exactly what he is saying it is (it is a handy way to communicate about the GM role he is conceiving of). But it isn't something he is saying you must adopt</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 85555, post: 8165893"] I do want to clarify this point. I said a variety of things a long these lines and I am not sure which specific instance you are pointing to (it does matter a little here I think). But generally I think what I was talking about was the heavy use of jargon, and words that force a result in an argument. I don't object to PbtA players adopting their own language to describe what they are doing. it think where it gets a lot more thorny is when that language is exported to other games and styles, and we are told we are doing something that we simply don't think we are doing. I was also talking about the creation of new terms in the course of this conversation. First, I am generally resistant to that idea unless a new term is truly needed (because you end up with pockets of communities speaking their own language about RPGs and I just think that is not terribly conducive to good communication). Second, I think you have be very careful when you have two sides vying for control of a term like agency and they are trying to draw distinctions around two potential uses of that term. I think a lot of times, we just think we are saying the truth, and we don't realize how much we are trying to advance an agenda or to simply 'win' the conversation and a place where things can go south is in the coining of terms if those are poisoned by that motivation. Here though, Estar is just using a term that has a long history of use in the hobby and generally points to exactly what he is saying it is (it is a handy way to communicate about the GM role he is conceiving of). But it isn't something he is saying you must adopt [/QUOTE]
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