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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8166449"><p>I get that, but that is what was also being done to me in this conversation. I was being told my definition, is not valid (and I found this stunning, and maybe overreacted at times, because it is literally one of the only definitions I've encountered in the hobby). That doesn't mean there are not other ways to talk about agency. But I do get cagey around linguistic rhetorical techniques (because I think they can get abused and they can promote specious argumentation). That said, I agree with Frogreaver that we should probably talk about different modes of agency, because at the end of the day, the only line separating us in this discussion is the one between what your character can do in the setting and what the player can do in the setting. That aside, both sides seem interested in maximizing the players sense of freedom in the game</p></blockquote><p></p>