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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8168489" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Is this handled in the background by the DM, is it player initiated or DM initiated?I don't think that's the only viable way of looking at it.&nbsp; I for one have no problem with the DM using mechanics like that to determine whether such happenings are occurring at all.&nbsp; The hangup is really the difference in DM/rules initiated and player initiated.There's a few ways of looking at things and tying die rolls to them.1a.&nbsp; Is there anything encountered?1b.&nbsp; If so then what is encountered?Issue is the existence of an encounter is tied to PC survival check and that's quite illogical2a.&nbsp; Is something the PC's cannot bypass encountered?2b.&nbsp; If so then what is encountered?This scenario relies on the abstract and not yet defined nature of all possible states based on these checks.&nbsp; *Note that no check rolled establishes whether something was encountered.&nbsp; Thus, all successes can mean that nothing was encountered and all failures can mean something was encountered that couldn't be bypassed.&nbsp; No particular issue here, but simulationists might dislike that the checks aren't covering all the important game states.3a.&nbsp; What encounters are present?3b.&nbsp; Do the PC's encounter that?Issue is that if an encounter is present and PC's are in the area then they may be interested in intervening and this gives them no path to do so.I think 2 is the best framing to explain how that is working in your game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8168489, member: 6795602"] Is this handled in the background by the DM, is it player initiated or DM initiated? I don't think that's the only viable way of looking at it. I for one have no problem with the DM using mechanics like that to determine whether such happenings are occurring at all. The hangup is really the difference in DM/rules initiated and player initiated. There's a few ways of looking at things and tying die rolls to them. 1a. Is there anything encountered? 1b. If so then what is encountered? Issue is the existence of an encounter is tied to PC survival check and that's quite illogical 2a. Is something the PC's cannot bypass encountered? 2b. If so then what is encountered? This scenario relies on the abstract and not yet defined nature of all possible states based on these checks. *Note that no check rolled establishes whether something was encountered. Thus, all successes can mean that nothing was encountered and all failures can mean something was encountered that couldn't be bypassed. No particular issue here, but simulationists might dislike that the checks aren't covering all the important game states. 3a. What encounters are present? 3b. Do the PC's encounter that? Issue is that if an encounter is present and PC's are in the area then they may be interested in intervening and this gives them no path to do so. I think 2 is the best framing to explain how that is working in your game. [/QUOTE]

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