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<blockquote data-quote="Wolvie1977" data-source="post: 4571758" data-attributes="member: 78624">Hello there !!I'll explain my &quot;question&quot; by 2 examples :The&nbsp; party arrive at a corridor, 30 square away from a door where 2 guardsare&nbsp; standing there, waiting.The first one have a Passive Perception of 15, the&nbsp; other 24 (they call him long-ear john).&nbsp;SITUATION #1The party walk, whispering, for the door.&nbsp; The DC&nbsp; would be DC31 (DC20 for whispering (as the Player Book says) + 6 at 30 squares (I'm taking the rule for distance as +2 for EACH 10 squares) + 5 for the door).&nbsp; As they approache, the DC would drop at DC25 at&nbsp; the door, so they reach the door quietly but with absolutely no effort.&nbsp; They&nbsp; can surprised the guards...&nbsp;SITUATION #2The rogue want to STEALTH&nbsp; for the door.&nbsp; The DC to hear him approach would be, as the Master Book says,&nbsp; Stealth check + 6 for the distance + 5 for the door.&nbsp; With a STEALTH bonus of&nbsp; +5, he try to sneak at the door.&nbsp; At 30 squares, he roll a 14 (dice 9+5), DC&nbsp; is now 25 (14+6+5).&nbsp; At 20 square another roll, he got 8 (3+5) !! DC is now&nbsp; 17 (8+4+5)!! The guard know something is wrong because he heard noise from behind&nbsp; the door... they will not be surprised...&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; So, what do you think of the Perception &quot;system&quot;?? I like the idea of having&nbsp; a Passive Skill score, like Perception, but the way it turn when sneaking at a&nbsp; door... not that it is a BIG concern, since it is just a game and rules are&nbsp; there for guidelines, but still, we are losing many precious minutes each&nbsp; session arguing about these kind of situations.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; What's your idea about that ??&nbsp; Did I miss something in the books ?&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; Thank you !!&nbsp; 8)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wolvie1977, post: 4571758, member: 78624"] Hello there !! I'll explain my "question" by 2 examples : The party arrive at a corridor, 30 square away from a door where 2 guards are standing there, waiting. The first one have a Passive Perception of 15, the other 24 (they call him long-ear john). SITUATION #1 The party walk, whispering, for the door. [B]The DC would be DC31[/B] (DC20 for whispering (as the Player Book says) + 6 at 30 squares (I'm taking the rule for distance as +2 for EACH 10 squares) + 5 for the door). As they approache, the DC would drop at [B]DC25[/B] at the door, so they reach the door quietly but with absolutely no effort. They can surprised the guards... SITUATION #2 The rogue want to STEALTH for the door. The DC to hear him approach would be, as the Master Book says, Stealth check + 6 for the distance + 5 for the door. With a STEALTH bonus of +5, he try to sneak at the door. At 30 squares, he roll a 14 (dice 9+5), [B]DC is now 25[/B] (14+6+5). At 20 square another roll, he got 8 (3+5) !! [B]DC is now 17[/B] (8+4+5)!! The guard know something is wrong because he heard noise from behind the door... they will not be surprised... So, what do you think of the Perception "system"?? I like the idea of having a Passive Skill score, like Perception, but the way it turn when sneaking at a door... not that it is a BIG concern, since it is just a game and rules are there for guidelines, but still, we are losing many precious minutes each session arguing about these kind of situations. What's your idea about that ?? Did I miss something in the books ? Thank you !! 8) [/QUOTE]

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