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<blockquote data-quote="michaeljpastor" data-source="post: 8563984" data-attributes="member: 81243">Regards to the subjectivity of granting of spells by deities and their agents, it is valuable to look into the play of extreme subjectivity with bargaining and cajoling&nbsp; from the spirit/witch/shaman style of receiving spells, where one must deal with a choir of ghosts or fey to get anything done, it must do persuasion checks instead of concentration checks.&nbsp;Another contrast if we go along another axis&nbsp; is the warlock class&nbsp; -a sort o long-term relationship with a higher force like a cleric, but dealing with the arcane and casting with verve of a sorcerer..The situation where the-powers-that be could substitute one spell for another without the players consent is an interesting NPC character hook.&nbsp; Perchance if the cleric is in a good state with his&nbsp; deity or Avatar he would have the spell substituted because his God looked upon him. This is good if as a DM you think your character is about to make a mistake and to give him a better chance. It's a god <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> upon him.&nbsp; The cleric wants to cast Grease but the DM notices that web would be a much better option, especially since he holds a torch. And that's what happens, along with a ditty of divine music as a special effect to indicate to his clEric that he has his best intentions in mind in regards to the substitution.Just just a few observations...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="michaeljpastor, post: 8563984, member: 81243"] Regards to the subjectivity of granting of spells by deities and their agents, it is valuable to look into the play of extreme subjectivity with bargaining and cajoling from the spirit/witch/shaman style of receiving spells, where one must deal with a choir of ghosts or fey to get anything done, it must do persuasion checks instead of concentration checks. Another contrast if we go along another axis is the warlock class -a sort o long-term relationship with a higher force like a cleric, but dealing with the arcane and casting with verve of a sorcerer. . The situation where the-powers-that be could substitute one spell for another without the players consent is an interesting NPC character hook. Perchance if the cleric is in a good state with his deity or Avatar he would have the spell substituted because his God looked upon him. This is good if as a DM you think your character is about to make a mistake and to give him a better chance. It's a god :-) upon him. The cleric wants to cast Grease but the DM notices that web would be a much better option, especially since he holds a torch. And that's what happens, along with a ditty of divine music as a special effect to indicate to his cl[B]Eric that he has his best intentions in mind in regards to the[/B] substitution. Just just a few observations... [/QUOTE]

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