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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 1426800" data-attributes="member: 158">We usually use &quot;say, then roll&quot;, although if I could get my players on-board, &quot;roll, then say&quot; would probably be more appropriate. It would really bring home that &quot;foot in the mouth&quot; feel that real-world diplomats have to carefully struggle against.For example, recently, I used a joke that included the phrase, &quot;Your angry players might pull a Jimmy Hoffa on you.&quot; One poster didn't understand the Jimmy Hoffa reference, and the joke fell flat. If you were talking to a merchant, for instance, trying to charm him into getting you a better price, and you used a joke that fell flat, or, worse, insulted him in some way:&quot;Man, are those Togarians are some nasty-looking people, 'ey, what?&quot;HEY! MY MOTHER'S TOGARIAN!&quot; then you just blew it. But even if this is roleplayed, a player is likely to NEVER intentionally do this (use an insult to ingratiate someone, etc.) or the DM is likely to forget little things like this happen in real life all the time.So, if the player REALLY flubs a roll, then he can put that racial epithet or that flat joke into the conversation, whereas, if he makes a good roll, he can just &quot;flower it up&quot; a bit, and let the DM take it from there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 1426800, member: 158"] We usually use "say, then roll", although if I could get my players on-board, "roll, then say" would probably be more appropriate. It would really bring home that "foot in the mouth" feel that real-world diplomats have to carefully struggle against. For example, recently, I used a joke that included the phrase, "Your angry players might pull a Jimmy Hoffa on you." One poster didn't understand the Jimmy Hoffa reference, and the joke fell flat. If you were talking to a merchant, for instance, trying to charm him into getting you a better price, and you used a joke that fell flat, or, worse, insulted him in some way: [I]"Man, are those Togarians are some nasty-looking people, 'ey, what?" HEY! MY MOTHER'S TOGARIAN!" [/I] then you just blew it. But even if this is roleplayed, a player is likely to NEVER intentionally do this (use an insult to ingratiate someone, etc.) or the DM is likely to forget little things like this happen in real life all the time. So, if the player REALLY flubs a roll, then he can put that racial epithet or that flat joke into the conversation, whereas, if he makes a good roll, he can just "flower it up" a bit, and let the DM take it from there. [/QUOTE]

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