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<blockquote data-quote="Nik_the_Pig" data-source="post: 1428229" data-attributes="member: 1647">Well if I recall right in the DMG regarding NPC reactions, Cha and Dip checks are far more likely to improve a NPC's reaction but what the player says can make it worse. From that I get that you should make the check first and then roleplay the rest out.I don't know about assisted roles with Diplomacy. You're spliting the attention away from your prime negotiator which often does more harm than good. Stepping in and taking over when someone is botching it I get but chriping over their shoulder with &quot;helpful&quot; comments often detracts from the overall message.With this in mind, in the role first method, if someone makes a bad dip/cha roll I'd allow the other players to make a sense motive check to observe the NPC's poor reaction to what the character is doing/saying and if successful allow them to step in to attempt to save the situation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nik_the_Pig, post: 1428229, member: 1647"] Well if I recall right in the DMG regarding NPC reactions, Cha and Dip checks are far more likely to improve a NPC's reaction but what the player says can make it worse. From that I get that you should make the check first and then roleplay the rest out. I don't know about assisted roles with Diplomacy. You're spliting the attention away from your prime negotiator which often does more harm than good. Stepping in and taking over when someone is botching it I get but chriping over their shoulder with "helpful" comments often detracts from the overall message. With this in mind, in the role first method, if someone makes a bad dip/cha roll I'd allow the other players to make a sense motive check to observe the NPC's poor reaction to what the character is doing/saying and if successful allow them to step in to attempt to save the situation. [/QUOTE]

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