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<blockquote data-quote="Samir" data-source="post: 5192878" data-attributes="member: 84965"><p>It seems your calculations are based off your +30 vs. Fortitude. This assumption doesn't work as a benchmark: at-will weapon attacks vs. NADs are very rare. The only reason you have it is because of a specific Warden Paragon Path.</p><p></p><p>So, let's take your +29 vs. AC. Per the MM averages, the average AC of a 24th level monster is 38. This lines up with the DMG guidelines for creating monsters (AC = level + 14). The 24th level monsters you listed all have AC between 35 and 41, with the vast majority falling right around 38. To hit a 24th-level Skirmisher (AC 38) you'd need an <strong>9</strong>, or an <strong>11</strong> without expertise. To hit a 24th-level Soldier (AC 40) you'd need an <strong>11</strong>, or a <strong>13</strong> without expertise. That's a <strong>50%</strong> chance to hit the Skirmisher or a <strong>40%</strong> chance to hit the Soldier without expertise.</p><p></p><p>Your average melee Striker starting with an 18 in their primary stat (post-racial) is going to have a 25 in that stat by 24th level (+7 mod), use a +2 weapon with a +5 enhancement, and get +12 from one-half level. That's <strong>+26</strong>. You have to roll a <strong>12</strong> to hit a 24th-level Skirmisher without expertise, or a <strong>14</strong> to hit a 24th-level Soldier.</p><p></p><p>That's right, if you start with an 18 in your primary stat and use a +2 weapon--54 of the 77 weapons are +2 proficiency, and non-dex classes don't qualify for sword feats--you have a whopping <strong>45%</strong> chance to hit that Skirmisher or a <strong>35%</strong> chance to land a blow on that Soldier.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, this time, the hype is right.</p><p></p><p>[EDIT] can't add.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Samir, post: 5192878, member: 84965"] It seems your calculations are based off your +30 vs. Fortitude. This assumption doesn't work as a benchmark: at-will weapon attacks vs. NADs are very rare. The only reason you have it is because of a specific Warden Paragon Path. So, let's take your +29 vs. AC. Per the MM averages, the average AC of a 24th level monster is 38. This lines up with the DMG guidelines for creating monsters (AC = level + 14). The 24th level monsters you listed all have AC between 35 and 41, with the vast majority falling right around 38. To hit a 24th-level Skirmisher (AC 38) you'd need an [B]9[/B], or an [B]11[/B] without expertise. To hit a 24th-level Soldier (AC 40) you'd need an [B]11[/B], or a [B]13[/B] without expertise. That's a [B]50%[/B] chance to hit the Skirmisher or a [B]40%[/B] chance to hit the Soldier without expertise. Your average melee Striker starting with an 18 in their primary stat (post-racial) is going to have a 25 in that stat by 24th level (+7 mod), use a +2 weapon with a +5 enhancement, and get +12 from one-half level. That's [B]+26[/B]. You have to roll a [B]12[/B] to hit a 24th-level Skirmisher without expertise, or a [B]14[/B] to hit a 24th-level Soldier. That's right, if you start with an 18 in your primary stat and use a +2 weapon--54 of the 77 weapons are +2 proficiency, and non-dex classes don't qualify for sword feats--you have a whopping [B]45%[/b] chance to hit that Skirmisher or a [b]35%[/b] chance to land a blow on that Soldier. Unfortunately, this time, the hype is right. [EDIT] can't add. [/QUOTE]
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