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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5193861" data-attributes="member: 2011">Fighter 1: +5 20 Str, +3 Weapon Proficiency, +1 Weapon Talent = +9Fighter 24: +9 29 Str, +3 Weapon Proficiency, +1 Weapon Talent, +12 level, +1 Kensai, +5 magic weapon = +31I guess you are giving him a +6 magic weapon for a total of +32. Course, that means that he will only gain +4 (+1 ability score, +3 level) from level 24 to 30 while the monsters gain +6.Minmaxing this guy the best you could gives him a decent +32. The monsters gained 23 to AC over those 24 levels, he gained +23 to hit. He gained 12 for level, 4 for ability scores, and 6 for magic weapons.You had to a) give him a specific Paragaon Path, b) give him his +6 magic weapon a little early, and in order to make him as good as you did, you had to c) make him a Fighter (+1 Weapon Talent), and d) give him a 20 starting stat (which most PCs do not have).Yes, so if you pick a good level for comparison and pick the absolute best weapons and Paragon Paths, the Fighter will be better. Let's check a more typical Fighter build. Fighter has 18 Str, +3 weapon proficiency, and +1 weapon focus at level one. We'll pick levels 2, 7, 12, 17, 22, and 27 for magic weapon increases.[code]1 +8 02 +10 +1 +1 magic weapon3 +10 04 +11 05 +11 -16 +12 -17 +13 -1 +2 magic weapon8 +15 0 +1 ability score9 +15 -110 +16 -111 +16 -212 +18 -1 +3 magic weapon13 +18 -214 +20 -1 +1 ability score15 +20 -216 +21 -217 +22 -2 +4 magic weapon18 +23 -219 +23 -320 +24 -321 +26 -2 +2 ability score (ability score increase plus epic class feature)22 +28 -1 +5 magic weapon23 +28 -224 +29 -225 +29 -326 +30 -327 +31 -3 +6 magic weapon28 +32 -3 +1 ability score29 +32 -430 +33 -4[/code]As can be seen when one doesn't just focus on a single level with super bumps in it, the math looks totally different. Compared to the +1 AC per level monsters, the Fighter starts dropping behind. Mid-heroic drops one, mid-paragon drops one, and mid-epic drops one.So sure, if you bump level 24 up by 3 (+1 Kensai, +1 Str, +1 6th level magic weapon), then it looks a lot better.But what happens if a Fighter uses a +2 weapon? What happens if a Fighter doesn't take Weapon Talent?The math has to take into account all of this, not just super optimized to hit builds that you can make at nearly optimal levels.</blockquote>

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