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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Talysian" data-source="post: 5195113" data-attributes="member: 66895">At sixteenth level an at will for most should be what 1W+(stat (6) Armbands or equivilent (4) some sort of Feat (2) Magic Item (+4)) so 1 w+14 or so, minimum so yar around 20 ish to 25 and the Attack Bonuses for weapons are looking like +18ish for casters / 20-21 for weapon users without expertise...  So looking at a few soldiers(10)  Average ac is 33, Fort, 31, Ref 30, Will 29 And a few Brutes (10) AC 28, Fort 30, ref 27 Will 26 so without bonuses your looking at a 15 to hit Soldiers and 8-12 for brutes. And everyone else falling in between roughly.  I guess my question is are your pc's fighting foes of higher levels? A lot of Soldiers mixed in? I don't think with a 14-15 on a soldier and 8-12 on the rest look too bad. Especially since I was looking at the minimum.  Are you running homebrew stuff? or Wotc stuff? If so like I said above, a lot of soldiers or higher level enemies? 8-9 rounds is where I would be considering it a grind fest...  Are you guys enjoying things is the game bogging down for you at all? I mean if your enjoying it no biggie, but if you are bogging down do to grind, well you may want to look at adressing it somehone (assuming if thats the case you probably are researching it..) Mind you these are rough calculations.</blockquote>