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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3132780" data-attributes="member: 22779">To be honest though, if the victim of the suggestion remembers what you did, and what you had him do, he's not likely to be friendly afterward either.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But, that's not what worries me.&nbsp; A 5th level character could easily have a +13 intimidate (8 ranks, +2 stat, +3 skill focus) without any magical enhancement.&nbsp; The DC for intimidate is d20+Hit dice+wis.&nbsp; A troll (CR 5) has 6 hit dice and no wisdom.&nbsp; I certainly like those odds for walking over an standard encounter.&nbsp; I get d20+13 vs d20+6.&nbsp; Or, taking it another way, d20+13 vs average DC 16.&nbsp; Ooh, on average, I need a three or better to defeat the encounter.And that's not even using any enhancements or high stats.&nbsp; I can raise that bonus to the point where I will likely never fail using magic and other feats.&nbsp; I'm not so good with doing that sort of thing, but I'm sure someone could certainly improve my +13.&nbsp; Now do you see why I say that's too powerful?&nbsp; This would be my first action of EVERY combat encounter.&nbsp; Why not?&nbsp; It's almost a sure thing and if I fail, I lose nothing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3132780, member: 22779"] To be honest though, if the victim of the suggestion remembers what you did, and what you had him do, he's not likely to be friendly afterward either. :) But, that's not what worries me. A 5th level character could easily have a +13 intimidate (8 ranks, +2 stat, +3 skill focus) without any magical enhancement. The DC for intimidate is d20+Hit dice+wis. A troll (CR 5) has 6 hit dice and no wisdom. I certainly like those odds for walking over an standard encounter. I get d20+13 vs d20+6. Or, taking it another way, d20+13 vs average DC 16. Ooh, on average, I need a three or better to defeat the encounter. And that's not even using any enhancements or high stats. I can raise that bonus to the point where I will likely never fail using magic and other feats. I'm not so good with doing that sort of thing, but I'm sure someone could certainly improve my +13. Now do you see why I say that's too powerful? This would be my first action of EVERY combat encounter. Why not? It's almost a sure thing and if I fail, I lose nothing. [/QUOTE]

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