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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 2058730" data-attributes="member: 7808">No.&nbsp; As stated in the SRD, undead substitute Cha for Con only for concentration checks.&nbsp; There are specific examples where undead creatures use Cha for things like their abilities that cause saves, but this type of ability is always specific to the creature in question.&nbsp; It is not proof that undead use Cha for everything.I think a quick proof of the fact that undead don't use Cha for &quot;any ability normally based on CON&quot; is in the numbers; check out the HP and Fort saves in every undead in the MM.&nbsp; They are all calculated using +0 as the modifier, not their Cha modifier.EDIT:&nbsp; Just read Darkness's FAQ quote.&nbsp; I personally believe this is another instance of the FAQ being just plain wrong.&nbsp; I can find no place where the rules support the idea that &quot;An undead creature uses its Charisma modifier wherever its Constitution modifier would normally apply&quot;, and the fact that the FAQ has to explain away the Fort save part without any rules backup as well (and fails to mention how HP is calculated) strengthens my arguement that it's incorrect. YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 2058730, member: 7808"] No. As stated in the SRD, undead substitute Cha for Con only for concentration checks. There are specific examples where undead creatures use Cha for things like their abilities that cause saves, but this type of ability is always specific to the creature in question. It is not proof that undead use Cha for everything. I think a quick proof of the fact that undead don't use Cha for "any ability normally based on CON" is in the numbers; check out the HP and Fort saves in every undead in the MM. They are all calculated using +0 as the modifier, not their Cha modifier. EDIT: Just read Darkness's FAQ quote. I personally believe this is another instance of the FAQ being just plain wrong. I can find no place where the rules support the idea that "An undead creature uses its Charisma modifier wherever its Constitution modifier would normally apply", and the fact that the FAQ has to explain away the Fort save part without any rules backup as well (and fails to mention how HP is calculated) strengthens my arguement that it's incorrect. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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