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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5739428" data-attributes="member: 35909">In 3E, the class skill system formed niche protection for rogue (and bard), in PF, class skills mean almost nothing.  PF also seemingly replaced rogue with bard as the skill class.  Versatile Performance ends up meaning Bard with equal Int has more skills than a Rogue.  Jack of All Trades is major toe-stepping.And ultimately, I've found Rogue is such a MAD class that anyone with a high ability score that maxes a skill will be better at it than the rogue.  Any Sorc will be much better at UMD.  Any Druid, Monk, Ranger, or Cleric will be much better at Perception, possibly enough so to actually surpass the rogue's trapfinding bonus when using that skill to search!In 3E, Rogue was the best man in the party at a lot of important skills.  In PF, he's mediocre or above average in them, but doesn't really excel at anything except trapfinding...maybe (yay?), at will detect magic makes magic traps cake to find...  Any small advantage he can get from having a lot of class skills can be gained by anyone just by dipping one level.</blockquote>