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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 1271089" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>Simple answer:</p><p></p><p>In previous editions of D&D, Wisdom was defined "as the ability to make use of Knowledge."</p><p></p><p>In 3e, Wisdom was re-defined to include both "the ability to make use of Knowledge" and "force of Will."</p><p></p><p>It was mentioned earlier on this thread, but it bears repeating...</p><p></p><p>Intelligence = raw ability to process, sort, and comprehend data (which is why it drives Skill Points - simple aggregation of knowledge)</p><p></p><p>Wisdom = ability to draw conclusions from data AND ability to project one's desires upon oneself (represented in it being the basis for Will Saves - which represent mastery of self)</p><p></p><p>Charisma = ability to project one's desires upon others/the world around you (which is why it is tied to a sorcerer's "intuitive" spellcasting ability - his ability to shape the world at large - but NOT a wizard's spellcasting ability, which relies instead upon knowledge of rote gestures and incantations)</p><p></p><p>To extend your cigarette example:</p><p></p><p>1.) A high-INT, low-WIS person knows smoking is bad for his health, but cannot bring himself to stop smoking.</p><p>2.) A high-INT, high-WIS person knows smoking is bad for his health, and has the gumption to quit.</p><p>3.) A high-INT, low-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, but cannot convince smokers to stop because he is constantly picking the wrong arguments or attacking them ad hominim.</p><p>4.) A high-INT, high-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, and can convince smokers to stop because he is so persuasive.</p><p>5.) A high-INT, low-WIS, high-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, and can convince smokers to stop because he is so persuasive, but he himself is a chain smoker on the side and can't bring himself to break his habit.</p><p></p><p>Does that help visualize things. CHA represents how well you can "Control" other people, while WIS represents how well you can "control" yourself. I know a lot of people who are great at leading others to "do good" but can't stop their own self-destructive tendencies. Whether you like him or not, Rush Limbaugh is, I think, a perfect example of a high-CHA, low-WIS person who's great at giving advice to other people, but bad at following that advice himself.</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 1271089, member: 2013"] Simple answer: In previous editions of D&D, Wisdom was defined "as the ability to make use of Knowledge." In 3e, Wisdom was re-defined to include both "the ability to make use of Knowledge" and "force of Will." It was mentioned earlier on this thread, but it bears repeating... Intelligence = raw ability to process, sort, and comprehend data (which is why it drives Skill Points - simple aggregation of knowledge) Wisdom = ability to draw conclusions from data AND ability to project one's desires upon oneself (represented in it being the basis for Will Saves - which represent mastery of self) Charisma = ability to project one's desires upon others/the world around you (which is why it is tied to a sorcerer's "intuitive" spellcasting ability - his ability to shape the world at large - but NOT a wizard's spellcasting ability, which relies instead upon knowledge of rote gestures and incantations) To extend your cigarette example: 1.) A high-INT, low-WIS person knows smoking is bad for his health, but cannot bring himself to stop smoking. 2.) A high-INT, high-WIS person knows smoking is bad for his health, and has the gumption to quit. 3.) A high-INT, low-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, but cannot convince smokers to stop because he is constantly picking the wrong arguments or attacking them ad hominim. 4.) A high-INT, high-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, and can convince smokers to stop because he is so persuasive. 5.) A high-INT, low-WIS, high-CHA person knows smoking is bad for his health, and can convince smokers to stop because he is so persuasive, but he himself is a chain smoker on the side and can't bring himself to break his habit. Does that help visualize things. CHA represents how well you can "Control" other people, while WIS represents how well you can "control" yourself. I know a lot of people who are great at leading others to "do good" but can't stop their own self-destructive tendencies. Whether you like him or not, Rush Limbaugh is, I think, a perfect example of a high-CHA, low-WIS person who's great at giving advice to other people, but bad at following that advice himself. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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