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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5411428" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Specifically, such as in a thread you started previously, if they want to CHANGE RULES AROUND THAT ARE THE SAME as already done in a retro...and are asking advice on how to integrate those rules...</p><p></p><p>Well the Retro already did it for them. Much easier to say...hey, what you want is already done in the retro clone...or other system.</p><p></p><p>I'm not about to give advice on something already covered IN DEPTH by something else. </p><p></p><p>In fact, one could call it a pet peeve if someone says...I want to do ascending to Hit values...and a lot of things from 3.X that were integrated into some retroclone...</p><p></p><p>But then states that retroclones are useless.</p><p></p><p>Why expect ME to do all the work someone else has already done for you?</p><p></p><p>Now if it's covering something NOT covered, or that I do differently, I'll give you all the advice in the world. I've played a LOONG time with a LOT Of systems, and had experience integrating, changing, and doing a ton of houserules.</p><p></p><p>So, normally I don't simply suggest a retroclone or something that integrates 3.X concepts with older game systems (such as what I did in a previous thread you started).</p><p></p><p>However, when someone specifies almost precisely the exact things covered in a game system (such as change in how skills are done and ascending Armor/BAB) and those changes were already done by someone else in an easy to access item which is free...my advice is to look at the document which covers the exact thing you are asking.</p><p></p><p>So...normally I'd give advice on something (personally, I don't like retroclones...I play C&C, but it's not so much a retroclone as a way that integrates different versions of D&D together, and I can stand the S&W whitebox, but all other retros are poor copycats of the original...IMO...and I'd rather play 3.X, 4e, or any other RPG besides them...or simply play the originals as THEY ARE WRITTEN or WITH HOUSERULES NOT COVERED BY RETROCLONES), but if asking for retroclone ideas (normally 3.X ideas integrated with the older D&D or AD&D game systems) then that's what I'll give as advice.</p><p></p><p>PS: Hence, I really don't play any retros (as stated previously, C&C isn't a retro...as in Gygax's and Trolllord's own game system...or can be used to houserule all the D&D editions (OD&D, 1e-4e) together into one game system). If playing older systems by themselves I'll play them as is with their own houserules that are NOT carry overs from 3.X (if I wanted to play 3.X I'd play 3.X in those cases) rules. Things like Grandfathered 1e rules into 2e, and things like that are more pertinent to REAL houserules for the older systems in my books. I prefer their THAC0, combat tables, saving throws, powerful spells, etc. as they are rather than the 3.X or 4e take and renditions on such things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5411428, member: 4348"] Specifically, such as in a thread you started previously, if they want to CHANGE RULES AROUND THAT ARE THE SAME as already done in a retro...and are asking advice on how to integrate those rules... Well the Retro already did it for them. Much easier to say...hey, what you want is already done in the retro clone...or other system. I'm not about to give advice on something already covered IN DEPTH by something else. In fact, one could call it a pet peeve if someone says...I want to do ascending to Hit values...and a lot of things from 3.X that were integrated into some retroclone... But then states that retroclones are useless. Why expect ME to do all the work someone else has already done for you? Now if it's covering something NOT covered, or that I do differently, I'll give you all the advice in the world. I've played a LOONG time with a LOT Of systems, and had experience integrating, changing, and doing a ton of houserules. So, normally I don't simply suggest a retroclone or something that integrates 3.X concepts with older game systems (such as what I did in a previous thread you started). However, when someone specifies almost precisely the exact things covered in a game system (such as change in how skills are done and ascending Armor/BAB) and those changes were already done by someone else in an easy to access item which is free...my advice is to look at the document which covers the exact thing you are asking. So...normally I'd give advice on something (personally, I don't like retroclones...I play C&C, but it's not so much a retroclone as a way that integrates different versions of D&D together, and I can stand the S&W whitebox, but all other retros are poor copycats of the original...IMO...and I'd rather play 3.X, 4e, or any other RPG besides them...or simply play the originals as THEY ARE WRITTEN or WITH HOUSERULES NOT COVERED BY RETROCLONES), but if asking for retroclone ideas (normally 3.X ideas integrated with the older D&D or AD&D game systems) then that's what I'll give as advice. PS: Hence, I really don't play any retros (as stated previously, C&C isn't a retro...as in Gygax's and Trolllord's own game system...or can be used to houserule all the D&D editions (OD&D, 1e-4e) together into one game system). If playing older systems by themselves I'll play them as is with their own houserules that are NOT carry overs from 3.X (if I wanted to play 3.X I'd play 3.X in those cases) rules. Things like Grandfathered 1e rules into 2e, and things like that are more pertinent to REAL houserules for the older systems in my books. I prefer their THAC0, combat tables, saving throws, powerful spells, etc. as they are rather than the 3.X or 4e take and renditions on such things. [/QUOTE]
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