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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 1030527" data-attributes="member: 2209">Re: Re: how about as a PrCOK, I just wanted to get a handle on what class concept would work for a warrior bard.A swashbuckler can be a strong warrior base deserving of 1/1 BAB. Good attacks but poor defense(hit points) does not match well however. And I just don't get a magic music swashbuckler as a noncampaign specific concept. I get the jack of all trades including arcane magic that is the current magical musician bard. He's a wierd concept himself but he's been around since 2e (1e was just too rare to count, I never saw one except, I think, in a Celtic based module)As far as the 1e bard, remember their THACO froze when they switch classed until it got better than their fighter one, which wouldn't happen for what fifteen more levels or so? Not quite a solid argument for continuous 20 level 1/1 BAB.The bard spells are stronger (a lot of will save attack spells) than the ranger or paladin ones and they get them from level 1.If a bard got 1/1 BAB they would be close mechanically (attacks skills, class abilities, spells) to the ranger, so I think that would be the best basis for comparisons of class balance. It might work out, it might be too much, it is a close issue I think.</blockquote>