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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jimmifett" data-source="post: 5450417" data-attributes="member: 55006">I'll go ahead and get out of the way that I disagree with the initial premise that it's not popular as it could be, at least in my neck of the woods it is pretty big, with pathfinder in second due to lack of DMs for whatever reason.As for having it's own setting... Nentir Vale is a nice small area that can be dropped into just about anywhere, and I personally think it's lack of definition helps DMs try thier hand at world building. At the same time, there were plenty of vocal ppl that disliked the plethora of books for 3.x. Do we really want a repeat of having a bunch of books for a setting you may not be interested in? Potential wasted development efforts when there is already plenty of material for existing settings, and some of the most popular have been condensed to the important crunch parts of 4e. For fluff, hit up ebay for old books.I really think wotc took a decent enough minimalist job with a setting approach for 4e's points of light. It's really idea books to help you create your own world. You have 1 book for each major region, sometimes 2 or more packed in a book. You have the 3 planes books cover the elemental chaos, the astral sea, and the feywild/shadow dark in just enough detail to get you thinking your own stuff up. You've got the underdark covered with a book.There are those that loved Eberron when it was new bc it didn't have every little niche filled in already like FR. Eberron is still widely open. Now bc PoL doesn't have enough detail pre-filled in, ppl dismiss it and 4e?I've been tempted to use the PF in 4e just to throw some new stuff at my players.Experienced DMs, and really, how many of us aren't at LEAST 30 by now (if not mid to late 20s), don't need all the details filled in for them. A plot hook here, a interesting bullet point in a player backstory there, and the world takes off from there.I see it all as a case of someone moving someone else's cheese <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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