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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5453642" data-attributes="member: 6667746">I see there DOES seem to be some stuff that I had never seen in the MM because it is hidden from the rest of the same information.You have a blurb about the monster at the front of the list of monster entries, then AFTER those you have the DC checks for lore...which i ignored. All that should be in one place. When running a game I would set up what information is gathered from such an attempt to gain information on them from a character perspective.&nbsp; So MM does have stuff but hidden or broken up so that I would have never looked for it.I really don't understand what the whole PoL setting is other than a generic litter box. It looks to me as pretty much saying &quot;Here is all the stuff there exists, use what you want/need to in your games&quot;. That isn't much of a setting for me beyond what that one poster in a previous thread was saying D&amp;D wasn't much of medieval because it wasnt finite on the detail of the medieval era.&quot;Nobody&quot; is coming form a very new TTRPGer POV.When talking of previous edition you can hear of rich settings and such, even if only the medieval front of it all, but 4th edition &quot;core setting&quot; leaves me wondering what and where the heck it is?I have never heard anyone say that 4th has a rich setting it is built on/in.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5453642, member: 6667746"] I see there DOES seem to be some stuff that I had never seen in the MM because it is hidden from the rest of the same information. You have a blurb about the monster at the front of the list of monster entries, then AFTER those you have the DC checks for lore...which i ignored. All that should be in one place. When running a game I would set up what information is gathered from such an attempt to gain information on them from a character perspective. So MM does have stuff but hidden or broken up so that I would have never looked for it. I really don't understand what the whole PoL setting is other than a generic litter box. It looks to me as pretty much saying "Here is all the stuff there exists, use what you want/need to in your games". That isn't much of a setting for me beyond what that one poster in a previous thread was saying D&D wasn't much of medieval because it wasnt finite on the detail of the medieval era. "Nobody" is coming form a very new TTRPGer POV. When talking of previous edition you can hear of rich settings and such, even if only the medieval front of it all, but 4th edition "core setting" leaves me wondering what and where the heck it is? I have never heard anyone say that 4th has a rich setting it is built on/in. [/QUOTE]

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