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A reason why 4E is not as popular as it could have been
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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 5453655" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Interesting read - it could really inspire its own thread. I tend to agree with him, and felt the same way about 3.5 that the WotC person's fiancee did ("30 minutes of fun packed into 4 hours"). But the problem is, I don't think 4E really fixed the problem, or rather it was a two steps forward, one step back kind of thing: they replaced old problems with new ones, although ones that I don't think are quite as bad.</p><p></p><p>In some ways I think the main difference between 3.5E and 4E is <em>not</em> which sacred cows were slain or healing surges or Vancian magic or powers or any number of the many things that people kvetch about; rather, I think it has to do with system mastery, and the degree to which people like that approach to gaming or not. 3.5E is all about systems mastery; 4E is not. 4E seems to have become <em>more</em> about it deeper into the edition cycle because WotC just couldn't resist the urge to come out with endlessly boring and pointless feats. But, by and large, 4E is a game that is generally balanced; it doesn't as much reward system mastery as <em>tactical </em>mastery, especially in relationship to the group.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 5453655, member: 59082"] Interesting read - it could really inspire its own thread. I tend to agree with him, and felt the same way about 3.5 that the WotC person's fiancee did ("30 minutes of fun packed into 4 hours"). But the problem is, I don't think 4E really fixed the problem, or rather it was a two steps forward, one step back kind of thing: they replaced old problems with new ones, although ones that I don't think are quite as bad. In some ways I think the main difference between 3.5E and 4E is [I]not[/I] which sacred cows were slain or healing surges or Vancian magic or powers or any number of the many things that people kvetch about; rather, I think it has to do with system mastery, and the degree to which people like that approach to gaming or not. 3.5E is all about systems mastery; 4E is not. 4E seems to have become [I]more[/I] about it deeper into the edition cycle because WotC just couldn't resist the urge to come out with endlessly boring and pointless feats. But, by and large, 4E is a game that is generally balanced; it doesn't as much reward system mastery as [I]tactical [/I]mastery, especially in relationship to the group. [/QUOTE]
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