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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5454360" data-attributes="member: 6667746">Woah there take your sedative and relax.I am saying if you want to discuss things you must accept the terms being used by the other party. If one says for whatever reason "4th isn't D&D", then discussing 4th in the context of D&D isn't going to work with that person. It is only begging to create a conflict rather than a discussion.You can try to change their mind, but in doing so your conversation about D&D is likely to turn into an argument or edition war...such as happens here on EN World. Best thing to do is disagree mentally or politely and vocally, and move on to a discussion where the term D&D does include 4th if you want to talk about it, or discus it using the term as defined by the other party and not include 4th edition in the context of D&D.If you say soy milk is milk, and I refute that saying it is juice as soy has no teet, then we won't be having a discussion about soy milk, as we don't both agree on. Like the pie example floating around. You would go from having a discussion to having a debate over whether "soy milk" is milk or juice.This will in no way shape or form help you converse about soy milk. So best to find someone who does consider it milk to carry on your discussion of "soy milk", unless both parties want to debate "soy milk" vs "soy juice".Quite frankly I don't know where you get off telling me what I have to accept or not. There is the precise thing I was saying about discussion with someone who can agree on the terms, or you will only be starting an argument. Now were you wanting to start a fight with me? Because I will tell you flat out, you mean nothing to me, and I make my own decisions. You will not be likely to sway them in the slightest, especially with that approach telling me what I "damn well better" do.So you have to agre on the terms used in order to common ground to work with.Where is Danny and that other lawyer? Is that not the case and reasons for LOOOONG draw out contracts and such to DEFINE the terms so that all participating parties can understand them in the context they are being used?</blockquote>

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