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A reason why 4E is not as popular as it could have been
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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5455123" data-attributes="member: 4892"><p>Clark Peterson never went, so he couldn't turn back. Paizo has moved past being a "kitchen table" company and can't afford to shift momentum as much as small publishers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Being rude doesn't make your opinion any stronger. I may have chosen evocative phrasing though so I'll overlook the rudeness.</p><p></p><p>My point was that Paizo saw problems with 3E (much like WotC) and wanted to fix things about it (much like WotC). The two companies just took different approaches.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My theory is based in the historical evidence of past edition changes. The player base of older editions lost momentum because no new support was forthcoming. How many people do you see that play 3E/4E/Pathfinder that wish they were still playing AD&D. I've seen alot. I've also seen alot of people point out that they could still play. But without new shiny material the interest is pulled toward the supported edition.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think your assumption is based on the community here. The small fraction of gamers that frequent here are very diverse in their gaming and willing to try a multitude of systems to find the one they like, and that's great. But it's those (I hate this term because I think it's used derogatorively) "Beer & Pretzel" gamers that play the game most readily accessible as an excuse to gather with friends. They don't even care about finding a game they like, they just want to play.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have seen little evidence, beyond the small circle that is ENWorld, that 3E is still heavily played without Pathfinder. YMOV.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And your's seems to be founded on the demonization of WotC for "ruining" your favorite game. Not a fair estimate of your feelings? Then stop trying to tell me what mine are.</p><p></p><p>For the record, I understand why many people do not like 4E. I'm not bogged down in wishful thinking that the absence of Pathfinder or the OGL would suddenly make these people like 4E. But there are a vast number of people outside these forums that just want to buy new stuff and play. There are two companies that provide the constant stream of new material. And even within the confines of these boards the two biggest games are 4E and Pathfinder. My proof? What other game systems have message boards specifically devoted to them? None. Even 3E is relegated to a Legacy board devoted to all previous editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5455123, member: 4892"] Clark Peterson never went, so he couldn't turn back. Paizo has moved past being a "kitchen table" company and can't afford to shift momentum as much as small publishers. Being rude doesn't make your opinion any stronger. I may have chosen evocative phrasing though so I'll overlook the rudeness. My point was that Paizo saw problems with 3E (much like WotC) and wanted to fix things about it (much like WotC). The two companies just took different approaches. My theory is based in the historical evidence of past edition changes. The player base of older editions lost momentum because no new support was forthcoming. How many people do you see that play 3E/4E/Pathfinder that wish they were still playing AD&D. I've seen alot. I've also seen alot of people point out that they could still play. But without new shiny material the interest is pulled toward the supported edition. I think your assumption is based on the community here. The small fraction of gamers that frequent here are very diverse in their gaming and willing to try a multitude of systems to find the one they like, and that's great. But it's those (I hate this term because I think it's used derogatorively) "Beer & Pretzel" gamers that play the game most readily accessible as an excuse to gather with friends. They don't even care about finding a game they like, they just want to play. I have seen little evidence, beyond the small circle that is ENWorld, that 3E is still heavily played without Pathfinder. YMOV. And your's seems to be founded on the demonization of WotC for "ruining" your favorite game. Not a fair estimate of your feelings? Then stop trying to tell me what mine are. For the record, I understand why many people do not like 4E. I'm not bogged down in wishful thinking that the absence of Pathfinder or the OGL would suddenly make these people like 4E. But there are a vast number of people outside these forums that just want to buy new stuff and play. There are two companies that provide the constant stream of new material. And even within the confines of these boards the two biggest games are 4E and Pathfinder. My proof? What other game systems have message boards specifically devoted to them? None. Even 3E is relegated to a Legacy board devoted to all previous editions. [/QUOTE]
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