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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5455729" data-attributes="member: 64209"><p>I'll leave the rest of the debate between the two of you, but I remember being very excited for Necromancer Games joining on.</p><p> </p><p>This is a MASSIVE undercharacterization of Clark's emotional and time investment.</p><p> </p><p>He worked closely with WotC (then Linnae Foster and Scott Rouse) on the GSL for months. He had several 4e items in pre production (including a 4e Tome of Horrors and an adventure path). He attempted to take a stab at a version of "old school" 4e.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I don't know if you think you're being fair Vyvyan or if you yourself are being intentionally obtuse.</p><p> </p><p>But to claim that Clark posted "I wish I could publish stuff" on a message board as the whole of his investment is so wrong that it is not just wrong, it's foolish.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>EDIT: I realize I should probably provide some evidence to actually convince you as well.</p><p><a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19913370/Necromancer_Games_to_release_4E_adventure_path" target="_blank">http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19913370/Necromancer_Games_to_release_4E_adventure_path</a></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/rpg-industry-forum/224093-necromancer-games-goes-4th-edition-planned-product-updates.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/rpg-industry-forum/224093-necromancer-games-goes-4th-edition-planned-product-updates.html</a></p><p><a href="http://grumblingrognard.blogspot.com/2009/03/4th-edition-classic-necromancer-games.html" target="_blank">http://grumblingrognard.blogspot.com/2009/03/4th-edition-classic-necromancer-games.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2008/03/no-dd-4e-for-pa/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2008/03/no-dd-4e-for-pa/</a></p><p><a href="http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/9828" target="_blank">http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/9828</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Other companies that were supporting 4e via the GSL:</p><p></p><p></p><p> Alluria Publishing</p><p><a href="http://www.alluriapublishing.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.alluriapublishing.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Destiny Games Publishing</p><p><a href="http://www.worldofdestiny.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.worldofdestiny.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Dias Ex Machina</p><p><a href="http://www.diasexmachina.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.diasexmachina.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Dragon Roots Magazine</p><p><a href="http://www.dragonroots.net/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.dragonroots.net</span></a></p><p></p><p> Dragondyne Publishing</p><p><a href="http://www.dragondyne.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.dragondyne.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Dragonfire Laser Crafts </p><p><a href="http://www.dragonfiresigns.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.dragonfiresigns.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> E.N. Publishing</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=wotbs" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=wotbs</span></a></p><p></p><p> Expeditious Retreat Press</p><p><a href="http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/4E.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/4E.html</span></a></p><p></p><p> Fat Dragon Games</p><p><a href="http://www.fatdragongames.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.fatdragongames.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Fiery Dragon Productions</p><p><a href="http://www.fierydragon.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.fierydragon.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Goodman Games</p><p><a href="http://www.goodman-games.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.goodman-games.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Implement Games</p><p><a href="http://implementgames.webs.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://implementgames.webs.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> The Inner Circle</p><p><a href="http://www.icirclegames.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.icirclegames.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Made by Wombat</p><p><a href="http://www.madebywombat.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.madebywombat.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Mongoose Publishing</p><p><a href="http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.mongoosepublishing.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> One Bad Egg</p><p><a href="http://www.onebadegg.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.onebadegg.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Reality Deviant Publications</p><p><a href="http://www.realitydeviants.net/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.realitydeviants.net</span></a></p><p></p><p> Silent7Seven Games</p><p><a href="http://www.silent7seven.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.Silent7Seven.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Tangent Games</p><p><a href="http://www.tangent-games.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.tangent-games.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> Unicorn Rampant</p><p><a href="http://unicornrampant.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://unicornrampant.com</span></a></p><p></p><p> WorldWorksGames</p><p><a href="http://www.worldworksgames.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://www.worldworksgames.com</span></a></p><p></p><p>Some of them still are (GO Enworld!), some of them have left, and some of them are defunct. Add that to the companies that wanted to support 4e and chose not to due to the GSL, and I think ByronD has a fairly strong point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 5455729, member: 64209"] I'll leave the rest of the debate between the two of you, but I remember being very excited for Necromancer Games joining on. This is a MASSIVE undercharacterization of Clark's emotional and time investment. He worked closely with WotC (then Linnae Foster and Scott Rouse) on the GSL for months. He had several 4e items in pre production (including a 4e Tome of Horrors and an adventure path). He attempted to take a stab at a version of "old school" 4e. I don't know if you think you're being fair Vyvyan or if you yourself are being intentionally obtuse. But to claim that Clark posted "I wish I could publish stuff" on a message board as the whole of his investment is so wrong that it is not just wrong, it's foolish. EDIT: I realize I should probably provide some evidence to actually convince you as well. [URL]http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19913370/Necromancer_Games_to_release_4E_adventure_path[/URL] [URL]http://www.enworld.org/forum/rpg-industry-forum/224093-necromancer-games-goes-4th-edition-planned-product-updates.html[/URL] [URL]http://grumblingrognard.blogspot.com/2009/03/4th-edition-classic-necromancer-games.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2008/03/no-dd-4e-for-pa/[/URL] [URL]http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/9828[/URL] Other companies that were supporting 4e via the GSL: Alluria Publishing [URL="http://www.alluriapublishing.com"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.alluriapublishing.com[/COLOR][/URL] Destiny Games Publishing [URL="http://www.worldofdestiny.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.worldofdestiny.com[/COLOR][/URL] Dias Ex Machina [URL="http://www.diasexmachina.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.diasexmachina.com[/COLOR][/URL] Dragon Roots Magazine [URL="http://www.dragonroots.net/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.dragonroots.net[/COLOR][/URL] Dragondyne Publishing [URL="http://www.dragondyne.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.dragondyne.com[/COLOR][/URL] Dragonfire Laser Crafts [URL="http://www.dragonfiresigns.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.dragonfiresigns.com[/COLOR][/URL] E.N. Publishing [URL="http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=wotbs"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=wotbs[/COLOR][/URL] Expeditious Retreat Press [URL="http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/4E.html"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.xrpshop.citymax.com/4E.html[/COLOR][/URL] Fat Dragon Games [URL="http://www.fatdragongames.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.fatdragongames.com[/COLOR][/URL] Fiery Dragon Productions [URL="http://www.fierydragon.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.fierydragon.com[/COLOR][/URL] Goodman Games [URL="http://www.goodman-games.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.goodman-games.com[/COLOR][/URL] Implement Games [URL="http://implementgames.webs.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://implementgames.webs.com[/COLOR][/URL] The Inner Circle [URL="http://www.icirclegames.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.icirclegames.com[/COLOR][/URL] Made by Wombat [URL="http://www.madebywombat.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.madebywombat.com[/COLOR][/URL] Mongoose Publishing [URL="http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.mongoosepublishing.com[/COLOR][/URL] One Bad Egg [URL="http://www.onebadegg.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.onebadegg.com[/COLOR][/URL] Reality Deviant Publications [URL="http://www.realitydeviants.net/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.realitydeviants.net[/COLOR][/URL] Silent7Seven Games [URL="http://www.silent7seven.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.Silent7Seven.com[/COLOR][/URL] Tangent Games [URL="http://www.tangent-games.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.tangent-games.com[/COLOR][/URL] Unicorn Rampant [URL="http://unicornrampant.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://unicornrampant.com[/COLOR][/URL] WorldWorksGames [URL="http://www.worldworksgames.com/"][COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.worldworksgames.com[/COLOR][/URL] Some of them still are (GO Enworld!), some of them have left, and some of them are defunct. Add that to the companies that wanted to support 4e and chose not to due to the GSL, and I think ByronD has a fairly strong point. [/QUOTE]
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