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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5458137" data-attributes="member: 6667746">That then says that for the non-casual gamer, the popularity of 4th isnt as much as it is for other editions. If 4th edition was as popular as could have been hoped, then the casual gamer, only playing D&D to not have to learn a new system you be playing those 4th edition games.But, BUT, 4th edition IS a new game system in LARGE parts. Thus a blur in the D&D system, and possible reluctance to use the vastly different system by non-casual players, in order to keep casual players flowing to their games, so they can fill seats to have a game with...right?I don't know, let me read back through and find out....Me and P are discussing several things in several threads, so my mind likely merges them at times....You claim that it is independent of the system, that which we are talking about. I don't think so. When it comes to a setting present or not and what that setting it, it determines the focus the game gets from people. To be popular you want people to be focusing on your game enough.If something else provides an element you feel is missing from a game/system, then you are likely to gravitate to another. So the popularity of the system is in part directed by playstyles.Which Vampire video game do I and others choose? Ravenloft based game, or Vampire (White Wolf) based one?Part of what will make me and others decide will be in its presentation. How it sells itself TO ME. If Ravenloft has a setting I do not find enjoyable, then I might choose Vampire. Did I want to play lost int he mist, or just hiding in the crowd?Lets say Vampire had NO setting. If I enjoy playing in and DMing for a game with a default setting to build on, rather than an empty lot, I am likely to choose Ravenloft that DOES have a setting, and others like myself, aligned with MY PLAYSTYLE, will likely find Ravenloft to be more popular.So there is a LOT me and pemerton are discussing to refine terms and ideas so that we can get back to the main point. It is a bit of a long journey that you have been watching us take, but I am enjoying the travel along the road, and hope we can reach the same destination in the end. Even if that destination is only a clearer understanding of each other.</blockquote>

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