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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5459487" data-attributes="member: 6667746">Yes, as an RPG I do, because it is books and movies. Not intended for the viewer to participate in any level, but solely to observe.I assert that the Hobbit and LotR offer a dire lack of detail as a game because it is NOT made to be used in that manner.I see this as the reason D&D was created, to move away form playing out a book, historical battle, etc and following the script.The things not required or held in the books and movies, are what makes makes the difference between a game and the books and movies.I am hoping you see that. There wasn't mention of the money used in the LotR movies. I doubt there will be much in the Hobbit either. The movies don't require that to tell the story.That kind of story is great for the book, but when applying it to an RPG, people can get what the books and movies miss. The rest of the world. Be that part of the world the economics, who does the basket weaving, whatever.TTRPGs are not bound by the scripts of movies or books, nor are they bound by the limitations of computers for CRPGs and MMOs.The only limitations a TTRPG has is the imagination of the players and GM.Reading and watching LotR and the Hobbit is vastly different from assuming you are a person in them.Those very limitations of books and movies is the reason D&D existed to break away from and give the full spectrum to, IF you want to use it. For those that do not, then 4th edition is obviously likely to be a popular choice. For those that do want those things, 4th edition is most likely not popular as it DOES lack the richness and play they may be seeking that goes beyond what is held/constrained in the books and movies.As long as you use 4th edition, anyone viewing 4th edition as a tactical skirmish game, then your game will fit within the definition they have for 4th edition. You just have to come to terms with it and accept it.You enjoyment isn't in question, just the system itself. So don't try to defend the system, but just learn it isn't you being targeted. Your association to the system and use of it isnt the cause of the statement. You are just a casualty of the system as viewed by those people.</blockquote>

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