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A reason why 4E is not as popular as it could have been
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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5459714" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>No, I'm not saying that GURPS is quite limited. I know full well that you can do a lot with it. </p><p> </p><p>Dang, at least I just had dinner. All these food analogies are making me hungry. In the food world, GURPS 4E is chicken. Not only can you do all kinds of neat chicken things with it (and boy are there a lot), you can also fake some other stuff! Everyone knows that rattlesnake and froglegs and alligator and a whole bunch of other things "taste just like chicken." So rather than get all wet and maybe get bit or eaten, I can just get some chicken, and have my alligator BBQ, right?</p><p> </p><p>Most people don't know the difference. Most people don't even care. Unless they go with you and catch the alligator, and then watch you cook it, they'll never know if you serve them chicken. Heck, with some sleight of hand, you could probably slip in some chicken and still convince them it was gator, while you sold the gator elsewhere. And even if they caught that, put enough cayenne pepper in the BBQ sauce, and you can mix and match.</p><p> </p><p>But if you ask people who have tried these alternatives, simply prepared, they will tell you that these things actually taste, "mostly like chicken"--assuming your chicken is free range and kind of gamey. So as soon as someone starts doing a real comparison, with the sauces removed, no misdirection, etc.--some people can tell a meaningful difference. </p><p> </p><p>And likewise, you can make dishes that are traditionally not chicken, out of chicken, and get something very good. (I happen to like chicken pizza better than a lot of the things it replaces, for example.) You can put chicken in lasanga, use similar spices and sauces, and it will be very good. But it will be <strong>chicken</strong> lasanga, not <strong>beef</strong> <strong>sausage</strong> lasanga.</p><p> </p><p>This is exactly what that quote is referring to. You are still too focused on the lasanga. Some guy comes along and says he wants lasanga, you might say, "Hey, I've got a great recipe for that using GURPS." And you do. He tries is, and tells you it just isn't working for him. Talk long enough, and you find out that the beef sausage was really what was important. The lasanga was just the way he was used to doing it before.</p><p> </p><p>You can do GURPS horror or GURPS fantasy or GURPS supers or whatever. And as long as all you care about is the genre, it will work just fine. The moment you start wanting Hero fantasy, though, GURPS is, at best, a subpar substitute. Maybe very close to the same thing, but still subpar.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5459714, member: 54877"] No, I'm not saying that GURPS is quite limited. I know full well that you can do a lot with it. Dang, at least I just had dinner. All these food analogies are making me hungry. In the food world, GURPS 4E is chicken. Not only can you do all kinds of neat chicken things with it (and boy are there a lot), you can also fake some other stuff! Everyone knows that rattlesnake and froglegs and alligator and a whole bunch of other things "taste just like chicken." So rather than get all wet and maybe get bit or eaten, I can just get some chicken, and have my alligator BBQ, right? Most people don't know the difference. Most people don't even care. Unless they go with you and catch the alligator, and then watch you cook it, they'll never know if you serve them chicken. Heck, with some sleight of hand, you could probably slip in some chicken and still convince them it was gator, while you sold the gator elsewhere. And even if they caught that, put enough cayenne pepper in the BBQ sauce, and you can mix and match. But if you ask people who have tried these alternatives, simply prepared, they will tell you that these things actually taste, "mostly like chicken"--assuming your chicken is free range and kind of gamey. So as soon as someone starts doing a real comparison, with the sauces removed, no misdirection, etc.--some people can tell a meaningful difference. And likewise, you can make dishes that are traditionally not chicken, out of chicken, and get something very good. (I happen to like chicken pizza better than a lot of the things it replaces, for example.) You can put chicken in lasanga, use similar spices and sauces, and it will be very good. But it will be [B]chicken[/B] lasanga, not [B]beef[/B] [B]sausage[/B] lasanga. This is exactly what that quote is referring to. You are still too focused on the lasanga. Some guy comes along and says he wants lasanga, you might say, "Hey, I've got a great recipe for that using GURPS." And you do. He tries is, and tells you it just isn't working for him. Talk long enough, and you find out that the beef sausage was really what was important. The lasanga was just the way he was used to doing it before. You can do GURPS horror or GURPS fantasy or GURPS supers or whatever. And as long as all you care about is the genre, it will work just fine. The moment you start wanting Hero fantasy, though, GURPS is, at best, a subpar substitute. Maybe very close to the same thing, but still subpar. [/QUOTE]
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