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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5462173" data-attributes="member: 87792">I know my DM doesn't tell me in advance the stats of the orc.Stop right there.&nbsp; As has been pointed out repeatedly a skill challenge is not the same thing as a skill check.&nbsp; A skill check remains what it was - single point pass/fail with a simple action.&nbsp; A skill challenge can be as long as an entire scene.&nbsp; To just bluff someone under the 4e rules requires a simple bluff skill roll at the DC of the target creature's passive insight.&nbsp; (Source: New DMG scren as it's what is to hand).Again. not so.&nbsp; The DC is going to scale to what you are attempting. And it is assumed that what you are attempting is a challenge of about your level.&nbsp; As for how many components the DM throws at you, that depends on what you are trying to do.Everything it did in 3e outside of skill challenges.&nbsp; That hasn't changed.&nbsp; Skill challenges are for complex plans that require more than just bluffing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5462173, member: 87792"] I know [I]my[/I] DM doesn't tell me in advance the stats of the orc. Stop right there. As has been pointed out repeatedly [B][I]a skill challenge is not the same thing as a skill check[/I][/B]. A skill check remains what it was - single point pass/fail with a simple action. A skill challenge can be as long as an entire scene. To just bluff someone under the 4e rules requires a simple bluff skill roll at the DC of the target creature's passive insight. (Source: New DMG scren as it's what is to hand). Again. not so. The DC is going to scale to what you are attempting. And it is [I]assumed[/I] that what you are attempting is a challenge of about your level. As for how many components the DM throws at you, that depends on what you are trying to do. Everything it did in 3e outside of skill challenges. That hasn't changed. Skill challenges are for complex plans that require more than just bluffing. [/QUOTE]

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