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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5463720" data-attributes="member: 6667746">In all of our interactions you have mentioned Person X from Game Y or something else along those lines that does not have to do with D&D. I have ignored all of it, because I frankly could care les about those games. If I was interested in them, I would be playing them not D&D.Hopefully that that is understood, and possibly even a point about the popularity of D&D is that it is trying to take bits and pieces form other les popular games and bring it in now, could be cause of its lack of popularity with people who weren't interested in those games, but liked the way D&D did it.....4e, not previous editions are those "others games", THANK GOD!; that said, was 3rd and 4th the only editions of D&D you played?Having Dexterity as a stat, EVERY edition has had "fumble" rules. 3rd even gave them DCs, Icy +5 to difficulty or some such.Sometimes you have to stop trying to create some complex system for things and rely on the core of the game. Those 6 stats exist for a reason. Everything is built off of them for a reason. Try to figure out what that reason is, within D&D, and MANY people might gain a better understanding of it, without needing to add 400 subsystems by way of skills and feats to accomplish the same thing.You are the one telling me your linked combats are pieced together with JIT story elements right? Likewise skills can be done the same way. You don't need complex narrative system to let you create a working world under your JIT setting design, so why do you need some advanced complex system to use skills?Seems counterproductive to me.Again, thanks in part to MrMyth, I am now seeing skill challenges as just a means to power level. They don't exist to pose a challenge/obstacle, or resolve one, they exist only to offer more XP.I won't fall back into and make the mistake again of thinking them as something worthwhile, but view them flatly as the excuse to give more XP that they are, with no other redeeming qualities.</blockquote>

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