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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5464021" data-attributes="member: 48965">@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=15538" target="_blank">pawsplay</a>: I think I get exactly what you are saying and I agree with it to a large extent... In 3e I know a very simple lock is a DC 20... and I also know my PC's Open Locks score... and because this information is actually in the PHB and accesible to me as a player we can assume it was intentional that a player understand the DC's as they related to in-world actions and not just the game. This in fact does allow me to estimate what my chances are to open a particular type of lock by it's description... which is actually cool because as a trained thief you would think I would have some idea of my chances with locks of various workmanship. In 4e I am not able to make an estimate of my ability to pick a particular lock by it's in-world description because the DC's for locks in the PHB are based on tiers instead of connected to some real world descriptor (and honestly those tiers can mean totally different things to different DM's). On top of that in a skill challenge, if following the rules as written in DMG 1, the lock may have a different DC depending on the DC's for a skill challenge of a certain complexity and level... in other words if you want any idea of your chances with a lock you must in fact rely on the DM to tell you it's DC... or at least explain his particular schema for mapping tiers to in-world descriptors and to let you know if it is different in a particular skill challenge. Am I correct? If so... yes I see exactly what you are saying... and experienced this myself a few times when playing 4e.</blockquote>

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