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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dragonfriend7738" data-source="post: 5865892" data-attributes="member: 6691820">Yeah, I'm going to ask him about it, but I'm not sure that he even knows if he's going to implement it at this point.  If he does decide on using them, I'll just opt for a couple of Exalted feats rather than the VoP template, and that'll make me able to optimize my abilities with magical gear. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay,  now that I've got a set goal in mind, I've been able to consolidate what I'm wanting to do into six levels, provided my DM's rule of the first four being either Fighter, Knight, or Paladin.  I'm excluding VoP bonus feats for now, because it's just extra at this point, and doesn't help obtain the goal. Lv1: Human feat: Sacred Vow; Starter Feat: Vow of Poverty; Fighter1: Combat Expertise Lv2: Fighter2: Improved Trip Lv3: Dodge Lv4: Fighter4: ** Lv5: Monk1: Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist Lv6: Monk2: Combat Reflexes; Level: Defensive Throw  I'm thinking of putting Improved Natural Attack at Ftr4 and coupling it with VoP bonus exalted feat of Sanctify Natural Attack for the fourth level feat line, but it's open here because it can't help me get the build any faster with anything else. If I substitute Monk for Sword Sage, I don't get Improved Unarmed strike, and I don't get Combat Reflexes- this offsets the build by three levels, as I'd put IUS at Ftr 4, gain Combat Reflexes at the 6th level feat, and then Defensive Throw at the 9th level feat. On the other hand, if I do it this way, I could- given my DM's willingness to let me retrain feats- choose IUS at Ftr 4, then retrain it to Weapon Focus (Unarmed) when I gain Monk, and prestige to Kensai at level 7 and still maintain my Trip focus.</blockquote>

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