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<blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 5138189" data-attributes="member: 386">We seem to be thinking along the same lines.&nbsp; Here are orc lairs from levels 1 through 10:[code]---------- Level &amp; Population --------# Appearing&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Level&nbsp; &nbsp; Chieftain&nbsp; &nbsp; Allies (cumulative)20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; --&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 gray wolves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 guard drakes&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 spitting drakes&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; eye of gruumsh&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 dire wolf&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 30&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; bloodrager&nbsp; &nbsp; --35&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; bloodrager&nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 bloodseeker drakes 40&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; bloodrager&nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 dire wolves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 half-orc hunters&nbsp; &nbsp; 45&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; bloodrager&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 half-orc death mage&nbsp; &nbsp; 60&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; chieftain&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 bloodrager&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1 wereboar&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 dire boars&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 dire wolves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 1/2-orc scarthanes&nbsp; &nbsp; 120&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; chieftain&nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 bloodragers&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1 oni night haunter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 ogre savages&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 ogre skirmishers&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 dire wolves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 trolls&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 200&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; chieftain&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 ogre warhulk&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d4 worgs&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 bloodragers&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 half-orc death mages&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1d6 1/2-orc scarthanes 300&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; chieftain&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 orc chieftain[/code]The reason for the big jumps is that I start counting monsters as minions after a certain point.&nbsp; The numbers don't add up perfectly but close enough.The reason this isn't a railroad is because you don't care if the PCs fight them or join them or drink tea every Tuesday at 4 PM with them.&nbsp; It helps because you know what they are capable of, what resources they have to draw on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LostSoul, post: 5138189, member: 386"] We seem to be thinking along the same lines. Here are orc lairs from levels 1 through 10: [code]---------- Level & Population -------- # Appearing Level Chieftain Allies (cumulative) 20 1 -- +1d4 gray wolves +1d4 guard drakes +1d4 spitting drakes 25 2 eye of gruumsh +1 dire wolf 30 3 bloodrager -- 35 4 bloodrager +1d6 bloodseeker drakes 40 5 bloodrager +1d4 dire wolves +1d4 half-orc hunters 45 6 bloodrager +1 half-orc death mage 60 7 chieftain +1 bloodrager +1 wereboar +1d4 dire boars +1d4 dire wolves +1d4 1/2-orc scarthanes 120 8 chieftain +1d4 bloodragers +1 oni night haunter +1d6 ogre savages +1d6 ogre skirmishers +1d4 dire wolves +1d4 trolls 200 9 chieftain +1 ogre warhulk +1d4 worgs +1d6 bloodragers +1d6 half-orc death mages +1d6 1/2-orc scarthanes 300 10 chieftain +1 orc chieftain[/code] The reason for the big jumps is that I start counting monsters as minions after a certain point. The numbers don't add up perfectly but close enough. The reason this isn't a railroad is because you don't care if the PCs fight them or join them or drink tea every Tuesday at 4 PM with them. It helps because you know what they are capable of, what resources they have to draw on. [/QUOTE]

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