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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8147490" data-attributes="member: 57383">WeaponsThere are a few D&D/Pathfinder weapons that use rope, I'll only quote parts of their description that are relevant to this thread's "how strong and heavy are they" topic unless I get distracted by an interesting point.Okay, if a Medium creature can entangle a Large creature with a Net, that suggests the net covers the same Space as a Large creature, or 10 ft. by 10 ft.That suggests it must be made of several hundred feet of rope.  If the net portion were a grid of ten 10-foot lengths going one in one direction and another ten in the orthogonal direction (Up-to-Down & Left-to-Right, North-to-South & West-to-East or whatever) that'd be 200 feet, plus the "trailing rope" would likely add another 10 ft. That's 210 feet without allowing for knots, extra trailing rope, and ropes a generous foot apart - which might be far enough for a Small creature to easily wiggle out between them.But despite all that length of rope a net only weighs 6 pounds, the weight of a 30 foot stretch of hemp rope, plus it has a Break DC of 25 - maybe because the entangled victim has to burst multiple strands simultaneously to escape? The 5 hit points might suggest the victim has to burst the equivalent of two or three lengths of rope at once to escape, as hempen rope has 2 hp. The scaling of Carrying Capacity loads would suggest that's equivalent to a +3  to the Break DC, which might mean the individual ropes in a Net could be DC 22.Maybe the Net's made out of silk rope that's thinner than normal?  If it was, say, 50% the cross-sectional area and 240% the length of a normal silk rope it'd weigh 120% as much, which'd match the 6 pound weight of the SRD stats.Plus, it'd help justify something made out of rope costing 20 gold pieces - you could buy a thousand feet of standard hempen rope for that much money.As for Pathfinder's Snag Net, while it's  heavier and pricier the main point of the weapon is it's harder to escape from and can deal very slight piercing damage to an entangled victim with its barbed hooks.Please note that while there are stats for Harpoons in 3E D&D they're not in the SRD, so I'll only examine the Pathfinder version.Nothing of much interest here.  It just uses a standard hemp rope.I was a bit baffled on first seeing this entry, because the Lasso doesn't have a Range Increment listed.  After perusing multiple Paizo forums, there appear to be two conflicting opinions:#1 The "entangle a foe like you would using a net" means that, as per the "A net's maximum range is 10 feet", a lasso can only be thrown 10 ft. and has no Range Increment.#2 It's an accidental omission and a lasso is a thrown weapon with a 10 ft. Range Increment.Personally I think #2 makes way more sense.  Glancing at the Wikipedia's entry on the Lasso and various other rope-use webpages a short search of the internet turned up, I found that (a) cowhands sometimes use ropes up to 70 feet long, or even 100 feet or longer, to rope their cattle; (b) Yahoo Answers <a href="https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120729154502AAWC1kJ" target="_blank">How far can you throw a line?</a>says they can throw a 3/8" dock line 14 metres (about 46 feet), while <a href="https://www.landmarktrading.com/blog/guide-rope-throwing-throwlines/" target="_blank">A Guide to Rope Throwing and Throwlines</a> says "An experienced arborist can use a throwline to get a TIP of up to 60 feet". Those distances are around the the 50 foot maximum of a 10 ft. Range Increment thrown weapon.There are a couple more curious points.  The Lasso has Break DC 23, the same as the standard hempen rope, but it weighs five pounds, half the weight of a standard rope, while costing only one silver piece, one tenth as much as a hempen rope.What's that about? Being half weight might indicate the rope's half length (25 feet), which would make sense if the weapon only has a 10 foot maximum range, but why on earth would it be so cheap?I'd make a lasso cost 1 gp or maybe 5 gp.  Apparently a good lasso should be made from rope that's thinner & stiffer than usual and possible weighted slightly for ease of throwing, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to make the rope slightly costlier per unit length/weight than the normal hemp.Oh, and give it a 10 ft. Range Increment for heaven's sake.  The Pathfinder rules say a harpoon can be thrown up to 50 ft. and that thing weighs sixteen pounds!</blockquote>

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