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<blockquote data-quote="Destil" data-source="post: 540622" data-attributes="member: 1980">Listing the dice scaling rules within the spell would make it far mor compact and usable. From the MM.Original - Enlarged1d2 - 1d31d3 - 1d41d4 - 1d61d6 - 1d81d8 - 2d61d10 - 2d61d12 - 2d8This is extremly rather weak as far as power level for a 2nd level spell, let alone third. A rather small damage increase vs a -2 to hit.&nbsp; With such a limited duration, this praticaly screams cantrip, to me.In general this isn't typicaly going to be very powerful. The d8-2d6 and d12-2d8 are about the best you can do.Before that the mean damage only goes up 1 point, with the maximum increasing one or two points, and the minimum remaining the same.1d8-2d6: +1 min, +2 mean, +4 max1d10 - 2d6: +1 min, +1 mean, +2 max1d12 - 2d8: +1 min, +2 mean, +4 maxAll in all, I'd have no problems with this as a cantrip, myself. For a 3rd level spell, it needs to out do bull's strength and be compirable to greater magic fang. About the only thing this has going for it is that the to-hit penelity won't be a big factor for most creatures, since they lack itteritiave attacks, so it's slightly better than an equivelent power attack, somtimes... (though PA reaised the minimum damage far more often).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Destil, post: 540622, member: 1980"] Listing the dice scaling rules within the spell would make it far mor compact and usable. From the MM. Original - Enlarged 1d2 - 1d3 1d3 - 1d4 1d4 - 1d6 1d6 - 1d8 1d8 - 2d6 1d10 - 2d6 1d12 - 2d8 This is extremly rather weak as far as power level for a 2nd level spell, let alone third. A rather small damage increase vs a -2 to hit. With such a limited duration, this praticaly screams cantrip, to me. In general this isn't typicaly going to be very powerful. The d8-2d6 and d12-2d8 are about the best you can do. Before that the mean damage only goes up 1 point, with the maximum increasing one or two points, and the minimum remaining the same. 1d8-2d6: +1 min, +2 mean, +4 max 1d10 - 2d6: +1 min, +1 mean, +2 max 1d12 - 2d8: +1 min, +2 mean, +4 max All in all, I'd have no problems with this as a cantrip, myself. For a 3rd level spell, it needs to out do [i]bull's strength[/i] and be compirable to [i]greater magic fang[/i]. About the only thing this has going for it is that the to-hit penelity won't be a big factor for most creatures, since they lack itteritiave attacks, so it's [b]slightly[/b] better than an equivelent power attack, somtimes... (though PA reaised the minimum damage far more often). [/QUOTE]

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