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<blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 363190" data-attributes="member: 363">I have to confess that I can't answer these questions in detail.I have some thoughts, though.Where the counterassault came from: what Balin says about the battle in the dale seems to indicate that the dwarves were the ones assaulting from outside Moria. They drove the orcs from the great gate and the guard room, and it seems they pursued the fleeing orcs as they tried to escape outside. The later assault that eventually wiped out the dwarves was, indeed, from outside Moria.The Balrog probably did, ideed, slumber somewhere deep in Moria. It seems that it is likely that the dwarves eventually pushed their luck too far when they discovered mithril and expanded further into Moria. Remember, Moria was enormous. Think of it as something like this: the Dwarves took over a far eastern suburb of Los Angeles. The Balrog lived in central or western L.A. The dwarves probably weren't even noticed by the Balrog until they went into the western suburbs.I mean, think about it - the dwarves were a relatively small group. I doubt the Balrog would even care very much about them if he had known about them when they first invaded.Regarding the drummers - I always assumed they were orcs attending the Balrog somewhere in a level below where the Fellowship was.But, who knows? Here is an enigmatic bit that Gandalf said about his fight with the Balrog in the deeps of Moria:</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ColonelHardisson, post: 363190, member: 363"] I have to confess that I can't answer these questions in detail. I have some thoughts, though. Where the counterassault came from: what Balin says about the battle in the dale seems to indicate that the dwarves were the ones assaulting from outside Moria. They drove the orcs from the great gate and the guard room, and it seems they pursued the fleeing orcs as they tried to escape outside. The later assault that eventually wiped out the dwarves was, indeed, from outside Moria. The Balrog probably did, ideed, slumber somewhere deep in Moria. It seems that it is likely that the dwarves eventually pushed their luck too far when they discovered mithril and expanded further into Moria. Remember, Moria was enormous. Think of it as something like this: the Dwarves took over a far eastern suburb of Los Angeles. The Balrog lived in central or western L.A. The dwarves probably weren't even noticed by the Balrog until they went into the western suburbs. I mean, think about it - the dwarves were a relatively small group. I doubt the Balrog would even care very much about them if he had known about them when they first invaded. Regarding the drummers - I always assumed they were orcs attending the Balrog somewhere in a level below where the Fellowship was. But, who knows? Here is an enigmatic bit that Gandalf said about his fight with the Balrog in the deeps of Moria: [/QUOTE]

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