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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 368197" data-attributes="member: 2020">I cannot afford to cut Celeborn slack, in spite of the dreadful news about Gandalf, not to mention the balrog.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; For one, Galadriel handled the situation in stride, and Celeborn should be held to a high standard as her husband (not as high as her, but high enough.)&nbsp; And two, there was no room for slack.&nbsp; Not in this scenario.&nbsp; The situation was too dangerous, too desperate, and too much was at stake, for anyone to afford to give way like Celeborn did.&nbsp; &nbsp; - - -&nbsp; I am not saying Celeborn killed Gimli, or would have.&nbsp; I AM saying that Celeborn nearly got Gimli killed, for Haldir and the border guard answered to Celeborn, and they nearly killed Gimli.&nbsp; It was incumbent upon Celeborn, as Lord of Lothlorien, to ensure a warm and speedy welcome for the Fellowship.&nbsp; Even if he had to be there personally, to see they got that welcome - and, in my opinion, he should have been there, personally.&nbsp; I would point the finger of accusation at Galadriel herself, except that she is not ruler of Lothlorien - Celeborn is, and she defers to him.&nbsp; Not that this entirely excuses Galadriel either - which shows what could be a serious fault in Tolkien's writing, since Galadriel acts very wisely and intelligently otherwise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 368197, member: 2020"] I cannot afford to cut Celeborn slack, in spite of the dreadful news about Gandalf, not to mention the balrog. Why? For one, Galadriel handled the situation in stride, and Celeborn should be held to a high standard as her husband (not as high as her, but high enough.) And two, there was no room for slack. Not in this scenario. The situation was too dangerous, too desperate, and too much was at stake, for anyone to afford to give way like Celeborn did. - - - I am not saying Celeborn killed Gimli, or would have. I AM saying that Celeborn nearly got Gimli killed, for Haldir and the border guard answered to Celeborn, and they nearly killed Gimli. It was incumbent upon Celeborn, as Lord of Lothlorien, to ensure a warm and speedy welcome for the Fellowship. Even if he had to be there personally, to see they got that welcome - and, in my opinion, he should have been there, personally. I would point the finger of accusation at Galadriel herself, except that she is not ruler of Lothlorien - Celeborn is, and she defers to him. Not that this entirely excuses Galadriel either - which shows what could be a serious fault in Tolkien's writing, since Galadriel acts very wisely and intelligently otherwise. [/QUOTE]

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