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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5723778" data-attributes="member: 35909">No they don't.&nbsp; They make it harder to move silently, or jump, but your movement speed and reflex saves remain the same, as does your maximum dexterity to AC.&nbsp; If &quot;armor check penalty&quot; is how ridiculously low you set the threshold, 1) Why does light armor even work for evasion when it can have even higher check penalties than shields? and 2) Does that mean a mithral heavy shield is ok?&nbsp; But a regular wooden one is not, even if they nearly weigh the same?Well...carrying around a tower shield DOESN'T affect your mobility (it does have a max dex attached, but that's not limiting your speed or reflexes one bit), so...how is arguing what the rules actually say moronic?&nbsp; And in my first post I argued that if anything, a shield would make it easier to use evasion by giving you a small bit of cover, so it actually WAS the argument I was making...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5723778, member: 35909"] No they don't. They make it harder to move silently, or jump, but your movement speed and reflex saves remain the same, as does your maximum dexterity to AC. If "armor check penalty" is how ridiculously low you set the threshold, 1) Why does light armor even work for evasion when it can have even higher check penalties than shields? and 2) Does that mean a mithral heavy shield is ok? But a regular wooden one is not, even if they nearly weigh the same? Well...carrying around a tower shield DOESN'T affect your mobility (it does have a max dex attached, but that's not limiting your speed or reflexes one bit), so...how is arguing what the rules actually say moronic? And in my first post I argued that if anything, a shield would make it easier to use evasion by giving you a small bit of cover, so it actually WAS the argument I was making... [/QUOTE]

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