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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5653956" data-attributes="member: 6679551">If by "items" you include that to mean spells?  Deal.  Wizards don't create spells.  They simply learn them from someone else.  So let's limit Wizards to spell they actually created...and they are powerless.   The assumption for the duel is you get access to everything allowed by RAW.  For non casters, this means you can have custom items created with any and all spells that you want.  It's the same fiat (authorative order) Jkaron uses to say somehow the Wizard should be considered as having every single spell in the Wizard's spell book.  If you're going to make absurd assumptions, it goes both ways. Now...you can always house rule that Wizards have access to all their spells but Fighters don't have access to custom magic items which use the existing spells (which the RAW specifically allows). This debate is really pointless.  The real value of JKaron's tier system is not that it's valid, but that it exposes the problems DM's are faced with at higher level if they don't actively monitor the flow of magic spells/and items.  Except that people automatically know to limit access to magic items...yet they can't seem to get their heads around limiting availability/access to spells.   Although unintended, Jkaron's tier system also exposes the problems with 3.5 with regards to min/maxing.  Let's ignore spells and just focus on Skills.  It's possible to create specialists whose ability to Disarm traps or Diplomacy officials far beyond what is healthy for the game.  3.5 puts DM's in the position of suddenly have to use DM by fiat to nerf any number of PC abilities to keep games from going off the tracks.   The simple fact is that in any RPG's where characters have more powers as they level it becomes harder for the GM to account for everything.  The problem is magnified in games which encourage/faciliatate min/maxing-optimization.  Any game that introduces unfettered "magic" is going to have this problem.  Now as a DM, ask yourself if the game gives you tools to keep Spell use from getting out of control?</blockquote>

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