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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5654167" data-attributes="member: 85158">Would you mind expanding on how a cleric cannot replace a fighter in the long term? (Just to be clear, I am talking about a party where the fighter role is taken up by a cleric, not a party where there is a cleric and a fighter.)Actually, from my experience in groups, casters do not do horribly at lower levels. Perhaps it is because I build well, but all my spellcasters, even at low levels, contribute meaningfully to the groups they are in by debuffing enemies and providing support to other party members.Again, I'd love to talk more about this. Let's focus on the mechanics for a moment, shall we?What mechanically prevents a cleric from replacing a fighter?If you are talking about people who try to upstage others, I agree that that is poor form. If you are talking about people who decided "I don't want to play a fighter, I'm going to play a cleric instead" I fail to see what is selfish or bad about that.</blockquote>