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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5664624" data-attributes="member: 6679551">Great post. Great on a number of levels and not to over do it, but I think it does you much credit and it changes the complexion of the discussion, at least for me. But as you said,  So I won't go into the details. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Let me start at the end..  Maybe we can't. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The main purpose I come to boards is to discuss things. While I tend to post in an authoritative manner, really, I'm more interested in learning what I don't know than telling people what I do. One of the key problems in any discussion/debate is overcoming the imprecision in the English language. If you're confused by something I'm saying, then others are too. The other major challenge in forum discussions is correctly identifying/describing the problem (as I've said). As such, if you think I am not correctly identifying the problem, I would consider that of paramount importance to the discussion. Since my point is to challenge the basis under which we believe Fighters are not balanced with Casters, clearing up the confusion does contribute to the discussion. But that's just my opinion. This is what I see... Q: Do you enjoy eating candy?A: No, I can't stand candy, it's vile and I hate it.Q: As a dentist, how do you feel about candy?A: I love it. Candy is the best thing in the world. You:"You contradict yourself. First you said this..." "and now you're saying this:"  This. And guess what? I do it too. It's called selective filterin. It's been clinically documented that in political debates. People completely ignore objective facts that are contrary to their position. It's one of the things I try to avoid most in my posts. I think this criticism can be aimed squarely at me with regards to the tier system. I am focusing on what I see as its flaws...but mainly because I feel that the way it is presented it does more harm than good.  No need to apologize. I was dismissiive of your first post and that wasn't helping.  Pretty common affliction isn't it?  And this is where I have been remiss. In your first post you suggested that my argument might be improved. But I dismissed the benefit you were offering me (whether you mean it as such or not).  Yes. This is the problem with quoting bits and pieces and responding to them. Like I am doing now.   Well then help me to understand what it is you are saying. Let me go back and reread your post and see if I can figure it out... Okay. Let me see if I can paraphrase your argument. Tell me if I got it wrong: JaronK has made qualitative rankings and doesn't have to prove them quantitatively. Requiring him to do so leads to false conclusions. Is that the essence of what you were saying?</blockquote>

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