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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8598699" data-attributes="member: 83242">More than one flavor is of course acceptable. I have never claimed otherwise.Your definition of what a martial is not the same as someone else, and that is OK. I could ask, why is a martial required to be able to throw cows or reflect eye rays? I am of the opinion they are not required to do such things.  However, I am also fine if they do, but I would call those supernatural abilities, and to me, and others, supernatural = magic.For example, in my mind, Herakules is magic. He is sort of the martial warrior, but his great strength and abilities are magical.  Heck, even the Greeks realized this and called such heroes demigods.I am not sure what this means. I think  the Nerds want flying fighters, not the other way around.  I think you want more of the Nerds, not less.Again, why are you in this thread if you don't want to play 5e or a version of it? This thread is tagged 5E.  If you do want to play 5e I have given you several suggestions on how to modify it to your taste, but all you seem to want to do is rant.  That just doesn't seem constructive to me.If you want to engage in ideas to make 5e martials more supernatural, then I am happy to do so, but you just seem to want to rant. In which case I am done with our conversation.</blockquote>