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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6959670" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think another way to look at&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [MENTION=83242]dave2008[/MENTION]'s question would be something like this:Would you as a powergamer/optimizer be happy with designing and playing a PC that was optimized, but with one or two things required of it (say perhaps due to fluff or story reasons) that were not?So for instance... creating the best / most optimized Bard of the College of Valor?&nbsp; In this particular case... if we go under the assumption for the sake of argument that it's generally accepted that Valor is the less powerful of the two bardic colleges, would you as a powergamer/optimizer be okay with building and playing one?&nbsp; You could still optimize to your heart's content by creating the most powerful or strategically built College of&nbsp; Valor Bard possible... but on the macro scale of the totality of &quot;bards&quot;... the bard would not be considered the most powerful overall Bard build.Is that okay?&nbsp; Can you be happy designing and playing the most-tricked out PC of a lesser-build?&nbsp; Or would you only be happy designing and playing the best overall build for a particular class?&nbsp; As Dave put it, do you feel as though you have to be the best overall?Over the years I've heard self-identified powergamers on both sides of the tracks.&nbsp; Some want to create the uber-build for a particular class... while others enjoy creating the best possible PC from a less optimal circumstance (so for example they decide they're going to play a dual-wield barbarian, but will design and build the best damn dual-wielding barbarian they can.)&nbsp; Which side you'd fall on is indeed an interesting question delving into the minds of those for whom this is truly important.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6959670, member: 7006"] I think another way to look at [MENTION=83242]dave2008[/MENTION]'s question would be something like this: Would you as a powergamer/optimizer be happy with designing and playing a PC that was optimized, but with one or two things required of it (say perhaps due to fluff or story reasons) that were not? So for instance... creating the best / most optimized Bard of the College of Valor? In this particular case... if we go under the assumption for the sake of argument that it's generally accepted that Valor is the less powerful of the two bardic colleges, would you as a powergamer/optimizer be okay with building and playing one? You could still optimize to your heart's content by creating the most powerful or strategically built College of Valor Bard possible... but on the macro scale of the totality of "bards"... the bard would not be considered the most powerful overall Bard build. Is that okay? Can you be happy designing and playing the most-tricked out PC of a lesser-build? Or would you only be happy designing and playing the best [I]overall[/I] build for a particular class? As Dave put it, do you feel as though you [I]have[/I] to be the best overall? Over the years I've heard self-identified powergamers on both sides of the tracks. Some want to create the uber-build for a particular class... while others enjoy creating the best possible PC from a less optimal circumstance (so for example they decide they're going to play a dual-wield barbarian, but will design and build the best damn dual-wielding barbarian they can.) Which side you'd fall on is indeed an interesting question delving into the minds of those for whom this is truly important. [/QUOTE]

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