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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6960478" data-attributes="member: 6787650">They're not supposed to be exclusive or incompatible. They're just eight different dimensions of fun. It can be a useful exercise to discuss which players enjoy which kinds of fun, so you can build your game to include those dimensions. E.g. I personally don't derive any pleasure at all out of physical artifacts, so it's easy for me to overlook the fact that some people really enjoy battleboards and beautifully painted miniatures--but if I'm aware that a given player is into that kind of stuff, I can make allowances, and maybe run certain combats on a battleboard for his sake, or pick up a monster miniature instead of just scribbling an &quot;X&quot; on a scrap of paper and calling it good.There's nothing wrong with learning stuff from videogames either BTW. E.g. you can learn a lot about level design and the joys of vertical navigation from studying certain video games. (Some of those insights are hard to implement in a TTRPG, but at least it will get you thinking about the possibility of tunnels that go under and bridges that go over things.)Personally, I'm into Fantasy, Challenge, Discovery, and sometimes Fellowship. (I don't mind Abnegation in CRPGs but I don't want it in RPGs.) Sensory Pleasure, Narrative, and Expression don't matter to me at all, and so I have to try pretty hard to consciously include those elements in the games I run, and I'm not that great at it. (Especially Narrative.)So I guess that means I meet your criteria? I don't hit 7/8; I don't even hit 5/8. I only hit 3.5/8, as far as what I personally enjoy at the table. The average player I've quizzed seems to usually appreciate between 4 and 7 of them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6960478, member: 6787650"] They're not supposed to be exclusive or incompatible. They're just eight different dimensions of fun. It can be a useful exercise to discuss which players enjoy which kinds of fun, so you can build your game to include those dimensions. E.g. I personally don't derive any pleasure at all out of physical artifacts, so it's easy for me to overlook the fact that some people really enjoy battleboards and beautifully painted miniatures--but if I'm aware that a given player is into that kind of stuff, I can make allowances, and maybe run certain combats on a battleboard for his sake, or pick up a monster miniature instead of just scribbling an "X" on a scrap of paper and calling it good. There's nothing wrong with learning stuff from videogames either BTW. E.g. you can learn a lot about level design and the joys of vertical navigation from studying certain video games. (Some of those insights are hard to implement in a TTRPG, but at least it will get you thinking about the [I]possibility [/I]of tunnels that go under and bridges that go over things.) Personally, I'm into Fantasy, Challenge, Discovery, and sometimes Fellowship. (I don't mind Abnegation in CRPGs but I don't want it in RPGs.) Sensory Pleasure, Narrative, and Expression don't matter to me at all, and so I have to try pretty hard to consciously include those elements in the games I run, and I'm not that great at it. (Especially Narrative.) So I guess that means I meet your criteria? I don't hit 7/8; I don't even hit 5/8. I only hit 3.5/8, as far as what I personally enjoy at the table. The average player I've quizzed seems to usually appreciate between 4 and 7 of them. [/QUOTE]

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